Coronaviris (COVID19): Today 02/27/20 will be the US game changer.

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I just got the test results in and I'm currently positive for Covid, got my first symptoms on friday morning. It did hit hard and came right out of nowhere.
Woke up early friday morning and went to work, just as I was going to have the first coffee break I felt something strange going on, something was not right.
Just stood still for a little while to check if I was just imagining things, but nope, a very unpleasant feeling was creeping over me, so I jumped in the car and went straight home.
Since then I've been mostly in bed, unable to do almost anything else but go to the toilet and grab something to eat.
I've had high fever since friday afternoon 38° - 39° (100F to 102F) with the maximum amount of painkillers. And headache, cough, runny nose, loss of taste and smell.
The worst thing is definitely the musclepain, just can't find a comfortable way to rest.

I'm 33 and have taken my first dose of vaccine, no other health issues and I like to think of myself as pretty fit and eating healthy.
Have been masked and mindful of washing my hands, practicing reasonable social distancing so I've got absolutely zero clue where I got it.

Not much fun at all.

After I wrote this post above, I continued to have a high fever combined with just pure pain in my whole body for 5 days, so that makes it a total of 8 days of lying in bed, not getting any proper sleep because of the pain. That was brutal.
The following three days when the fever and pain wasn't as present, I slept about 15h/day and the remaining time was just spent resting.
I'm very grateful for it not getting to my lungs as I don't know how I could have handled not getting air on top of all the other things, and around day 8 I was so exhausted that breathing just normally was kind of a chore.

After sleeping the three days, I've been slowly getting better and better by the day. Now on day 14, I'm able to go out for short walks and do some small tinkering in the garage. Still shortness of breath, not much taste/smell, dry cough, weird things like sudden pressure in my eyes, chills etc.

Another not so small thing to consider, the rest of the family got it as well. The kids (2 and 4yo) got a high fever for two days, and after that they have been coughing for a week. Now they both seem to be back to normal again.
We're lucky that my wife just got the second shot (a couple of weeks earlier) and while she tested positive - she didn't have much symptoms, a headache and some small coughing. If she would have gotten the same symptoms as me, well, I just don't see how we could have possibly handled the kids, that would have been a nightmare of epic proportions.

So, it's been an experience if nothing else. I hope you all stay safe out there.
 

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After I wrote this post above, I continued to have a high fever combined with just pure pain in my whole body for 5 days, so that makes it a total of 8 days of lying in bed, not getting any proper sleep because of the pain. That was brutal.
The following three days when the fever and pain wasn't as present, I slept about 15h/day and the remaining time was just spent resting.
I'm very grateful for it not getting to my lungs as I don't know how I could have handled not getting air on top of all the other things, and around day 8 I was so exhausted that breathing just normally was kind of a chore.

After sleeping the three days, I've been slowly getting better and better by the day. Now on day 14, I'm able to go out for short walks and do some small tinkering in the garage. Still shortness of breath, not much taste/smell, dry cough, weird things like sudden pressure in my eyes, chills etc.

Another not so small thing to consider, the rest of the family got it as well. The kids (2 and 4yo) got a high fever for two days, and after that they have been coughing for a week. Now they both seem to be back to normal again.
We're lucky that my wife just got the second shot (a couple of weeks earlier) and while she tested positive - she didn't have much symptoms, a headache and some small coughing. If she would have gotten the same symptoms as me, well, I just don't see how we could have possibly handled the kids, that would have been a nightmare of epic proportions.

So, it's been an experience if nothing else. I hope you all stay safe out there.
So sorry about this. My sister had it and felt awful also. She qualified to get the monoclonal treatment, which helped her feel much better more quickly. But she is 66, and I suspect you are not with those young kids.

Thanks for sharing your experience.
 

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"I think it is safe to extrapolate that the dead here in our county are approximately 10:1 unvaccinated:vaccinated."

I wonder how many anti-vaxers / conspiracy theorists are gamblers? I mean the type of gambler who considers the odds, not the type of gambler hoping for blind luck.
A 10 : 1 ratio seems like a safe bet to take the vaccine. If you choose to ignore that very simple statistical fact then I have no sympathy for you.

It's baffling to me how someone can fervently adhere to a conspiracy theory, no matter how anecdotal and specious, yet is afraid of, or even violently antagonistic towards proven facts that are at odds with their thinking. Mistrustful uncertainty I get, but sheer pig-headed obstinate ignorance confounds me.
 

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An interesting concept. Personally I love to be proven wrong. That's how I learn new things and progress (in my mind at least). But it better be some rock solid proof ;)
How boring it must be to always be right...
 
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I accept being wrong, misguided, presumptuous, plain ignorant, whatever as it allows me to realign my assumptions and change my path. That's how good I am. ;)
( Except when arguing with my wife ).

Sapiens is a poor decision maker. Soon, if not already, AI will know us better than we know ourselves and make, hopefully, benevolent choices and decisions that we won't understand for things such as pandemic management.
Eliminate bias, opportunism, egotism, what Daniel Kahneman calls noise, false assumptions, superstition, then gather enormous amounts of wide ranging data at incomprehensible speed and you have a far superior decision making process.

I like Harari's AI scenario - POTUS is roused at 2.00 am by an AI alert. "Mr. President you have to act right now. You won't understand what you are doing or why because you are human."
 
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One of my judges of character, and other desirable qualities, is the ability of one to laugh at themselves. A laugh that clearly reflects their understanding of the foolishness, the idiocy or the audacity of their words and actions.

I see it as one way of defining and identifying true humility. Just one.
 

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Another interesting tidbit... now some Trumpers are saying the "left" is fabricating stories to scare the conservative from getting the vaccine. I can't make this stuff up.
Also, just in...from National Geographic News.. there is now a wealth of data that shows getting infected with this virus can cause erectile dysfunction and other reproductive health problems for men. And testicular pain, that alone would be enough for most guys to get the jab
 

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Another interesting tidbit... now some Trumpers are saying the "left" is fabricating stories to scare the conservative from getting the vaccine. I can't make this stuff up.
Also, just in...from National Geographic News.. there is now a wealth of data that shows getting infected with this virus can cause erectile dysfunction and other reproductive health problems for men. And testicular pain, that alone would be enough for most guys to get the jab
Add hair loss and we'd probably approach a 100% male vaccination rate.
 

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Combine testicular pain and male pattern baldness and they will line up for a second round of shots followed by a booster after each round.
 

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"I think it is safe to extrapolate that the dead here in our county are approximately 10:1 unvaccinated:vaccinated."

I wonder how many anti-vaxers / conspiracy theorists are gamblers? I mean the type of gambler who considers the odds, not the type of gambler hoping for blind luck.
A 10 : 1 ratio seems like a safe bet to take the vaccine. If you choose to ignore that very simple statistical fact then I have no sympathy for you.

It's baffling to me how someone can fervently adhere to a conspiracy theory, no matter how anecdotal and specious, yet is afraid of, or even violently antagonistic towards proven facts that are at odds with their thinking. Mistrustful uncertainty I get, but sheer pig-headed obstinate ignorance confounds me.
Data, logic and statistics do not work with many anti-vaxers. Its all fake news. They are willing to die for their beliefs, in some cases, even as close family members or even themselves are dying of Covid. That's sheer pig-headed obstinate ignorance. But they are patriots after all...just ask them.
 

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They are willing to die for their beliefs, in some cases, (snip). That's sheer pig-headed obstinate ignorance.
As foolish as I find a to-vaxers to be, I suggest it might be better called ‘faith’ than ignorance. Faith, after all, is belief in the absence of supporting evidence. Not hard to extrapolate that definition to read, “belief in the face of contrary evidence.”
 

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Anyway, the third dose dilemma repeats itself, do you vaccinate older people first because of their vulnerability or vaccinate younger people because of their higher mobility and propagation factor?
I have heard answers to key questions, not sure if these are settled:
1) Can vaccinated people still propagate Covid without getting sick? I hear this is a partial yes.
2) Does mRNA protection fade? The answer from Israel is yes, and starts dropping after a month.
3) Are Pfizer and Moderna equivalent? No, Moderna starts from ~3x higher concentration which translates into a multiplier on the antigens produced, so presumably the fading phenomenon takes longer.
4) Do Covid mutations continue forever or is the mutation optimization space limited? I read lately that Covid does not have many better variants to explore beyond Delta, the article sounded serious and intuitively I want to agree.

Based on that if I was running the show I would:
a) do a Moderna third shot for the US.
b) demand that said third shot be tweaked for Delta, that was the mRNA marketing promise.
c) continue vaccinating from 60 and above first.
e) stop redacting Covid related contracts, that practice flies in the face of the transparency and follow the science slogans.

check out the Pfizer redacted contract here:

the pages dedicated to bribery topics are eye opening. I have never seen that in tech...

and last pet peeve, the fact that Pfizer and every other American company incorporates in Delaware is as meaningless as all the ships that are registered in Panama. Is Panama a maritime powerhouse? Or Bahamas a financial hub because of some POB mailboxes? Somebody please tell Biden to stop saying that Delaware is a corporate powerhouse.
 

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“There are two major reasons for Delaware’s dominance of the corporate incorporation business. One reason is the bi-partisan political consensus in Delaware to keep the Delaware corporation statute modern and up-to-date, and to rely on Delaware’s corporate law specialists for advice in how to do this. As a result, law students at every law school in the United States study the Delaware corporation statute and the decisions of Delaware courts interpreting that law.

And…

Delaware has a special court, the Court of Chancery, to rule on corporate law disputes without juries.”


FWIW- my degree at the University of California was in economics..
specifically my thesis was on economics of law..

60% of Fortune 500 companies are incorporated there and 75% of all new public offerings.
keep in mind that-

  • You must meet your own state's requirements. Even though you incorporate in Delaware, you still need to meet your state's filing and licensing requirements for conducting business there. You also have to file annual reports in both locations. It's twice the work and twice the expense to do this.
 
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Pfizer redacted contract
Is this a first for E9forum, a link to a commercial contract?

I’ve been learning the ropes on B2B tech licensing, JD, and ‘collaboration’ contracts over the last 9 months (for my new job). Yes yes … I know it explicitly says it is not a collaboration contract, but effectively it is. Based on that limited experience, the contract looks ok to me. I think the key points are there for us to see:
  • who does what,
  • who owns what,
  • rules for sharing inside/outside the partnership,
  • governance
Bribery: I also haven’t seen this before, but I think it’s because corporations normally assume everyone is using the government laws @ the 2 headquarters as the default boundaries. doing it this way is better in that it assumes less by being a bit more explicit. Perhaps it reflects the state of industrial collaboration in Israel?

Redactions: the major ones appear to be related to commercial competitive issues (which includes penalties of my financial nature). What about Names which are redacted? Most corporations do not like giving visibility into sensitive internal organizational leadership to both protect employees from harassment and poaching. I would do the same redactions of something released to the general public. The ones which I would have liked to have seen is dispute resolution & penalties. But I can see why they redacted this stuff as it no doubt varies per relationship and are competitive factors that affect profitability.

john
 

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“There are two major reasons for Delaware’s dominance of the corporate incorporation business. One reason is the bi-partisan political consensus in Delaware to keep the Delaware corporation statute modern and up-to-date, and to rely on Delaware’s corporate law specialists for advice in how to do this. As a result, law students at every law school in the United States study the Delaware corporation statute and the decisions of Delaware courts interpreting that law.
Agreed. Tesla is a Delaware Corporation, does that make Delaware a leader in the electric car and clean energy revolution? No.
Tesla makes more than 500.000 cars a year, are any of them made in Delaware? No.
Does any of the 31.5 B$ of Tesla revenue go through Delaware? No.

I understand the reasons. Not being political here but the claims by the President about Delaware's role in corporate America are weird. Many people get married in Vegas, arguing that Vegas is the foundation of the American family would be equally weird.
 

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Court of Chancery, to rule on corporate law disputes without juries
Most corporations prefer NOT to subject themselves to the judgement of non-experts (juries) because commercial/technical disputes can be too complex/obscure for lay persons to fully understand.

How many of you would chose to resolve an E9 dispute with people who have no knowledge of automotive systems and no interest in cars?

if a state offers a better set of rules, why wouldn't corporations take advantage of them?
 

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Anyway, the third dose dilemma repeats itself, do you vaccinate older people first because of their vulnerability or vaccinate younger people because of their higher mobility and propagation factor?
I have heard answers to key questions, not sure if these are settled:
1) Can vaccinated people still propagate Covid without getting sick? I hear this is a partial yes.
2) Does mRNA protection fade? The answer from Israel is yes, and starts dropping after a month.
3) Are Pfizer and Moderna equivalent? No, Moderna starts from ~3x higher concentration which translates into a multiplier on the antigens produced, so presumably the fading phenomenon takes longer.
4) Do Covid mutations continue forever or is the mutation optimization space limited? I read lately that Covid does not have many better variants to explore beyond Delta, the article sounded serious and intuitively I want to agree.

Based on that if I was running the show I would:
a) do a Moderna third shot for the US.
b) demand that said third shot be tweaked for Delta, that was the mRNA marketing promise.
c) continue vaccinating from 60 and above first.
e) stop redacting Covid related contracts, that practice flies in the face of the transparency and follow the science slogans.

check out the Pfizer redacted contract here:

the pages dedicated to bribery topics are eye opening. I have never seen that in tech...

and last pet peeve, the fact that Pfizer and every other American company incorporates in Delaware is as meaningless as all the ships that are registered in Panama. Is Panama a maritime powerhouse? Or Bahamas a financial hub because of some POB mailboxes? Somebody please tell Biden to stop saying that Delaware is a corporate powerhouse.
Agree, Moderna for the win. I did see a new study yesterday that showed even at 25 mcg (one quarter of the normal dose), antibodies generated by Moderna persisted for six months. They also looked at comparisons to natural immunity, and there wasn't a detectable difference either way. Only more time will allow us to know whether Moderna induced immunity or natural immunity is superior. Just too soon to know.

As a doctor who is face to face with 40 senior citizens daily, I just got my third shot. Last thing I want to do is kill my patients....

I think there is plenty of vaccine to go around here in the US, but yes we should offer boosters first to those at highest risk.

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