FastCougar
Well-Known Member
All, please bear with me as I write this, it's part introduction, part background on me and on the CSi in question. In short, I'm selling a CSi for my father and need some help in assessing it's value before I put it up for sale.
Let's begin with a short introduction and background. My name is Trevor and I've been a lifelong BMW admirer. My father got bit by the bug when we lived in Europe and he passed it along to me since it was my formative years (ages 5-15). We were reassigned state side in 1988 (Air Force) and we imported a 1976 Bavaria 3.0S, which I took to my senior prom in 1992
Our last overseas duty station was Aviano Italy and there, my Mother worked for the COM group commander, who just so happened to also be a huge BMW enthusiast. He returned state-side in 1987 and he imported a 1972 3.0 CSi. He was the 2nd owner as it was originally purchased new in Bologna, Italy by a doctor in 1972. Fast forward to 1995 and my father was reassigned to Scott AFB along with Colonel who my mother used to work for. He knew my father's shared love affair and offered to sell it to my father. Without hesitation, my father snatched it up and it's been his since September of 1995. Hard to believe, but this 1972 German spec 3.0 CSi has only ever had 3 owners. My father has requested my help in selling the car since I live closer to the D.C. region than he does and I obviously obliged. That said, I'm here mainly to get some input on how to price the car. I'm currently in the process of detailing it and going through all the paperwork so that I can answer any questions.
I have personally run a similar group of car enthusiast for the 1999-2002 Mercury Cougar. I've been turning wrenches since 17 and haven't paid more than $3K over the last 22 years for mechanical work outside my own work. I've done everything from building a 450hp (at the wheels) 3.0L Turbo system for a 1999 Cougar to rebuilding a couple automatic transmissions, header installs, suspension overhauls, and everything else down to changing the oil on everything I've owned ... you might call me a gear head ... is that a step up or down from shade tree mechanic? That said, I haven't had to lay a finger on the car and I'm simply detailing it so that the new owner needs only turn the key and enjoy a near Concourse ready car.
I'm Looking forward to getting to know this platform better (E9) as I dig through the manuals, associated paperwork with the car and detailing it. Also looking forward to attending some local events and getting to know you guys. All that said, I was hoping someone could chime in with estimate ranges based on 2 main factors, mechanical and aesthetic range values.
What I know: The car is heavily documented with the exception of the original bill of sale. All importation documents are in order and it is indeed a 1972 CSi, not some US market CS hack. I think you guys refer to it as a Grey Market car.
Mechanical: She starts up and drives beautifully and the only mechanical issue is one I'm finding is VERY common ... the doors require a hulk slam for them to sit flush (needs adjustment) and Passenger's side window will go down, but not up (currently up) ... oh yeah, and the Driver's side window goes down, but can sometimes be temperamental on going back up (if you can get it started, it closes just fine, getting it started can be problematic).
Aesthetic: 1/2" (or less) tear in an otherwise pristine headliner, the paint is near pristine with a training edge chip in the driver's door on the and a slight chip on the front below the chrome molding line, above the grille. Faint signs of interior wood delamination ... almost un-noticed. Last but not least, driver's side door panels need to be reworked as the retention clips have come undone (probably from Dad fiddling with the windows). Last but not least, the front and rear roundels could use replacing along with a missing roundel on the front left wheel inner hub.
This is coming from an uber-anal shade-tree mechanic with paint/body work experience, but I'd grade the overall aesthetic's of the car 8/10.
I'll get a lot of detailed pictures once the detailing is complete (hopefully tonight). Any help you guys can provide is greatly appreciated!
Let's begin with a short introduction and background. My name is Trevor and I've been a lifelong BMW admirer. My father got bit by the bug when we lived in Europe and he passed it along to me since it was my formative years (ages 5-15). We were reassigned state side in 1988 (Air Force) and we imported a 1976 Bavaria 3.0S, which I took to my senior prom in 1992
Our last overseas duty station was Aviano Italy and there, my Mother worked for the COM group commander, who just so happened to also be a huge BMW enthusiast. He returned state-side in 1987 and he imported a 1972 3.0 CSi. He was the 2nd owner as it was originally purchased new in Bologna, Italy by a doctor in 1972. Fast forward to 1995 and my father was reassigned to Scott AFB along with Colonel who my mother used to work for. He knew my father's shared love affair and offered to sell it to my father. Without hesitation, my father snatched it up and it's been his since September of 1995. Hard to believe, but this 1972 German spec 3.0 CSi has only ever had 3 owners. My father has requested my help in selling the car since I live closer to the D.C. region than he does and I obviously obliged. That said, I'm here mainly to get some input on how to price the car. I'm currently in the process of detailing it and going through all the paperwork so that I can answer any questions.
I have personally run a similar group of car enthusiast for the 1999-2002 Mercury Cougar. I've been turning wrenches since 17 and haven't paid more than $3K over the last 22 years for mechanical work outside my own work. I've done everything from building a 450hp (at the wheels) 3.0L Turbo system for a 1999 Cougar to rebuilding a couple automatic transmissions, header installs, suspension overhauls, and everything else down to changing the oil on everything I've owned ... you might call me a gear head ... is that a step up or down from shade tree mechanic? That said, I haven't had to lay a finger on the car and I'm simply detailing it so that the new owner needs only turn the key and enjoy a near Concourse ready car.
I'm Looking forward to getting to know this platform better (E9) as I dig through the manuals, associated paperwork with the car and detailing it. Also looking forward to attending some local events and getting to know you guys. All that said, I was hoping someone could chime in with estimate ranges based on 2 main factors, mechanical and aesthetic range values.
What I know: The car is heavily documented with the exception of the original bill of sale. All importation documents are in order and it is indeed a 1972 CSi, not some US market CS hack. I think you guys refer to it as a Grey Market car.
Mechanical: She starts up and drives beautifully and the only mechanical issue is one I'm finding is VERY common ... the doors require a hulk slam for them to sit flush (needs adjustment) and Passenger's side window will go down, but not up (currently up) ... oh yeah, and the Driver's side window goes down, but can sometimes be temperamental on going back up (if you can get it started, it closes just fine, getting it started can be problematic).
Aesthetic: 1/2" (or less) tear in an otherwise pristine headliner, the paint is near pristine with a training edge chip in the driver's door on the and a slight chip on the front below the chrome molding line, above the grille. Faint signs of interior wood delamination ... almost un-noticed. Last but not least, driver's side door panels need to be reworked as the retention clips have come undone (probably from Dad fiddling with the windows). Last but not least, the front and rear roundels could use replacing along with a missing roundel on the front left wheel inner hub.
This is coming from an uber-anal shade-tree mechanic with paint/body work experience, but I'd grade the overall aesthetic's of the car 8/10.
I'll get a lot of detailed pictures once the detailing is complete (hopefully tonight). Any help you guys can provide is greatly appreciated!