Here's a car for sale with an extra set of bumpers. Maybe seller would part with the bumpers?
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto/4917891075.html
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto/4917891075.html
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- Thread starter BlueCar
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Interesting car...
Sounds like a decent car and parts for the asking price.
BlueCar
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Not sure what you mean about side markers… Ok, the side markers in the rear? The antenna is on the RF fender.
Mario has quoted me a pretty hefty price, so "hopefully" he's one to over quote rather than under quote, so customers don't get freaked out when it costs more! I am going to try to convince him to let me do a lot of work that I can do. I could, in theory, remove all the interior prior to it going to the shop. I can work on interior stuff, I can source stuff too. So…
And there is this car, right next to me, it has the bumpers.. Perhaps other parts, is it worth it as a parts car? I could then part out what I don't use. I'll run this by Mario...
http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/carsforsale/bmw/3.0cs/1718948.html
It's basically apart, this car.
BlueCar
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It's more rust buckety than mine…
BlueCar
Member
The front end has been replaced at some point, fenders, hood, nose I think. That is all quite good. The rear is another story...
BlueCar
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The small bumpers are better looking for sure, but…
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Adria
Expect the unexpected. It is impossible to know the extent of the rust until you start tearing apart the car. Ask me how I know.
My rust remediation at VSR ended up costing me twice as much as Mario originally quoted.
Take a look at Sven's webpage. It is informative and frightening at the same time...not for the faint at heart!
http://www.larsenarchitect.com/BMW/Restoration.html
Adria
Expect the unexpected. It is impossible to know the extent of the rust until you start tearing apart the car. Ask me how I know.
My rust remediation at VSR ended up costing me twice as much as Mario originally quoted.
Take a look at Sven's webpage. It is informative and frightening at the same time...not for the faint at heart!
http://www.larsenarchitect.com/BMW/Restoration.html
BlueCar
Member
Those are great photos showing rust and remediation process. I suspect mine is similar. I am prepared for the worst, but I try to put my positive side first, wishful thinking ya know!
Incredible walk down restoration lane
Sven's pictures are amazing! That someone would go through that process is simply breathtaking- I hope to see that car up-close one day- and I hope to never have to do that to an e9, a Shelby- OK, but the fitment issues I can imagine on Sven's car need an architect, engineer, physicist, thoracic surgeon and an exorcist! As usual, I am humbled!
Thanks Sven and Bez for posting the link-
Sven's pictures are amazing! That someone would go through that process is simply breathtaking- I hope to see that car up-close one day- and I hope to never have to do that to an e9, a Shelby- OK, but the fitment issues I can imagine on Sven's car need an architect, engineer, physicist, thoracic surgeon and an exorcist! As usual, I am humbled!
Thanks Sven and Bez for posting the link-
I would inject a note of caution on your expectations of the restoration. I am not sure you will be able to work on your car at Mario's shop.
The reason I say this is that Mario's insurance coverage the shop probably does not cover him if you were to experience an injury, injure an employee or another customer, and/or damage a vehicle in Mario's care while working on your vehicle in his facility. In each of these situations, Mario could be opening himself up to a large uninsured liability. And even if you would never dream of suing Mario, depending on what happens, it may not be up to you. It is a sad fact that this possibility may preclude a sharing of the work at his shop.
I think it would be wise to plan to strip the car elsewhere, and then deliver the shell to Mario for body work.
The reason I say this is that Mario's insurance coverage the shop probably does not cover him if you were to experience an injury, injure an employee or another customer, and/or damage a vehicle in Mario's care while working on your vehicle in his facility. In each of these situations, Mario could be opening himself up to a large uninsured liability. And even if you would never dream of suing Mario, depending on what happens, it may not be up to you. It is a sad fact that this possibility may preclude a sharing of the work at his shop.
I think it would be wise to plan to strip the car elsewhere, and then deliver the shell to Mario for body work.
BlueCar
Member
I guess that's what I was thinking, before the car goes to him. I do know that me puttering around in his shop is not good. However, I do want to go visit when my car is there! Plus he said he could give stuff to me to refinish or source as they take it off.
BlueCar
Member
This car has US bumpers and it looks not bad… Just think off all those tossed away US bumpers maybe in good shape...
http://www.canepacollection.com/detail-1974-bmw-3_0-cs-used-11223989.html
http://www.canepacollection.com/detail-1974-bmw-3_0-cs-used-11223989.html
My experience with body work at VSR1 is that his quotes were right on the money. But the work was easy to estimate, the amount was low ($6k range), and Mario told me the likelihood of hidden problems was near zero. Ask him what the range of possibilities are so you know how good or bad it might be. Budget/plan for the worst and if you are fortunate then you can take a vacation with the savings.
John
Hi Adria, I went through this post and it looks like you are planning on going through with the restoration, which is cool. I purchased a car from Mario and he definitely knows his stuff so if you are going to have him do the job why don't you ask him what the best course of action to take is; for example, if you bring him the car, or lots of pictures, ask him what you should do to make things easier and less expensive for him that way you won't be doing the wrong stuff. For example, I like to leave the rear tail lights in the cars when taking for paint, that way the lines can be matched up, and as we all know some German guy whittled each rear light assembly by hand on his back porch so they all fit a little differently, just stuff like that. Mario may have someone who removes glass for less than you can (don't forget the possibility of cracking it). I think working with the shop before you deliver the car may be a good way to shave off some dollars and I think Mario might appreciate it.
Not sure if that helps- but...
Not sure if that helps- but...
Adria
Your foresight is better than mine. I now wish I was more proactive in doing closer inspection of the belt line trim before they were removed so that I could send to them to Speedway for refinishing. Now that they are back on the car...it is next to impossible. A huge mistake.
remove parts
Try to remove as many parts as you can. Label everything even if you think it is obvious. Video with your smart phone if possible.
Mario and his team did a bare metal respray of the Great White and I can tell you that even for someone with minimal experience and few tools (ask John Feng and Chris Macha) I was able to remove everything except the windows. That allowed me to clean and paint a bunch of parts (not to the extent of OCCoupe) and to send parts off to Speedway (who does phenomenal work)
Removal is always easier than reassembly but with help that too may be accomplished. Perhaps the New England E9 folks could descend upon southern VT and help with the reassembly?
Try to remove as many parts as you can. Label everything even if you think it is obvious. Video with your smart phone if possible.
Mario and his team did a bare metal respray of the Great White and I can tell you that even for someone with minimal experience and few tools (ask John Feng and Chris Macha) I was able to remove everything except the windows. That allowed me to clean and paint a bunch of parts (not to the extent of OCCoupe) and to send parts off to Speedway (who does phenomenal work)
Removal is always easier than reassembly but with help that too may be accomplished. Perhaps the New England E9 folks could descend upon southern VT and help with the reassembly?
BlueCar
Member
What is Speedway? Yes, I'm going to find out from Mario what works best for him as far as removing parts and what I can do on my end to help him and hopefully save some money. I would not go as far as the glass, I'll let them do that. There are some things that don't work any more in the instrument panel, clock, odometer which could be a trans problem. So I'm not sure how to go about that, the clock could be wiring as I could the radio. Radio is coming out anyway. But interior parts that need paint I can do, any chrome or aluminum polishing I can do, plus I can source out the upholstery myself. I am definitely not someone who just gives the car to someone to do all of it, same goes for my house...
A reassembling party would be great!
A reassembling party would be great!
Speedway Poloishing
1979 South Ritchey Street
Santa Ana CA 92705
Dan Ross - (714) 542-7778
Mario can send all non-working dash gauges, clock, speedo etc to a place in CA to have them fixed and cleaned. Reasonable price
1979 South Ritchey Street
Santa Ana CA 92705
Dan Ross - (714) 542-7778
Mario can send all non-working dash gauges, clock, speedo etc to a place in CA to have them fixed and cleaned. Reasonable price
BlueCar
Member
Thanks! I assume that's chrome, aluminum trim etc.
Can small dings and dents in the kidney grill be taken out?
Can small dings and dents in the kidney grill be taken out?