Hello! from Sweden

[Alberto Flores]

Hello everyone!

I am new to the forum, my name is Alberto, 35 years old, I am from Mexico and I been living in Sweden for about 4 years.

I found the forum and wanted to share a car that I found and I am in the works for buying it, here I share some pictures.

The car is in really bad shape, but it's been a long time that I want to start a project and my budget is really limited.

what do you guys think?

thanks again for letting me be part of the forum!

Alberto.

 

[Willem Tell]

Bienvenidos Alberto! That's going to take a bit of welding! There are some great project blogs here where you can see welding work done by other members as a guide.
Just to start...

'67 2000CS resto...Papa's Church Car

Many of you have seen my '67 2000CS and know the back story found here: https://www.e9coupe.com/forum/threads/formal-intro-67-2000cs-now-in-the-austin-texas-area.23866/ The tear down and restoration of the paint and interior started in earnest a few weeks back. My good friend Barney Toler...

www.e9coupe.com

72 CSi rotisserie restoration

Howdy all, I am restoring a 72 LHD Cs which will end up having an M90/B35 engine converted to retro D-Jetronic Fi system. I thought it would be useful info for others travelling down this path. Car at present is down to a shell/sandblasted/epoxy coated and in the metal fabricators for new...

www.e9coupe.com

CSL Restoration

I have now started the strip out of the CSL and so far, so good. The car has spots of rust but not as bad as others I have done. I have started stripping out the windows and interior trim. The Front window may have been a replacement back in the 70s as its made by Royal Doulton – I always...

www.e9coupe.com

Tom

 

[dang]

Welcome Alberto. Run! Run away! Run as fast as you can!

 

[Alberto Flores]

Bienvenidos Alberto! That's going to take a bit of welding! There are some great project blogs here where you can see welding work done by other members as a guide.
Just to start...

'67 2000CS resto...Papa's Church Car

Many of you have seen my '67 2000CS and know the back story found here: https://www.e9coupe.com/forum/threads/formal-intro-67-2000cs-now-in-the-austin-texas-area.23866/ The tear down and restoration of the paint and interior started in earnest a few weeks back. My good friend Barney Toler...

www.e9coupe.com

72 CSi rotisserie restoration

Howdy all, I am restoring a 72 LHD Cs which will end up having an M90/B35 engine converted to retro D-Jetronic Fi system. I thought it would be useful info for others travelling down this path. Car at present is down to a shell/sandblasted/epoxy coated and in the metal fabricators for new...

www.e9coupe.com

CSL Restoration

I have now started the strip out of the CSL and so far, so good. The car has spots of rust but not as bad as others I have done. I have started stripping out the windows and interior trim. The Front window may have been a replacement back in the 70s as its made by Royal Doulton – I always...

www.e9coupe.com

Tom

Thanks Tom! I will take a look, do you think the chassis is worth the trouble?

Thanks!

 

[Alberto Flores]

Welcome Alberto. Run! Run away! Run as fast as you can!

Hello dang,
I am 50/50 in this one, its my closest chance to get a project like this that I can afford.
The guy is asking 3500 (in US dolars) don’t know if it is worth it, it comes front and rear seats, dash, engine and transmission, front and rear suspension, 4 wheels and tires, diff, windows and more stuff.
The guy can’t tell if the car is complete, he got the car and store it.

Thanks for the help!

Alberto.

 

[Willem Tell]

Honestly Alberto, you mention being on a budget...even if you have superlative welding skills, you still need steel panels to weld in as replacements.
Browse around the W&N site and start adding up all of the sheet metal you would need, and let that be your guide. just add it all into your basket and you can get a total easy enough (e.g., front and rear panels, A-pillars, 3 layers of rockers, spare wheel well, front nose, etc.). https://www.wallothnesch.com/en/karosserie-blechteile/bmw-2000-c-ca-cs/katalogbild-41-05.html
You may find that the total gives you a different budget, and the notion that buying a drive-able fixer-upper for a higher price is the better bet.

 

[HB Chris]

You will spend just as much restoring a 2000CS as an e9 and still have a coupe that will be worth less than one half of an e9. And parts for a 2000CS will be even harder to find. This example has rust in all of the worst places and while there are owners here who could tackle such a task they are few and far between. You would need to do almost all of the body repairs yourself. I personally think this chassis is not worth the effort of even a seasoned owner. Always buy the best you can afford, this one will break your heart.

 

[autokunst]

Hello Alberto,
Welcome, and thanks for sharing your project. Smarter people than me on this forum will (and have) recommended you pass on this one. And they are probably right. But I am a fan of the long, tough project. If you can do nearly all the work yourself and have time (a lot of it), nothing will make you more proud than saving this one from disintegrating further than it already has. I will be watching keenly.

 

[dave v. in nc]

Hi Alberto,
It such a beautiful, sculptural thing, sitting on its pedestal...a rusty coupe is such an alluring, seductive mistress. I have to agree with the above statements. I also have a parts car in almost that condition, and it will always be a parts car. I don't have the special skills mentioned, and at sixty-four years, definitely not the time. I think that a good, solid drivetrain and interior, or a not-rusty shell can be realistically saved, but difficult (unwise, would be my friendly advice) to save a car that has neither. My old comment several years ago about the Woody Allen movie "Bananas", where they attempt to clone the dead dictator from only his nose, needs to be kept in mind...
If I had a big flat farm, I'd have a rusty car sculpture garden in the back...

 

[Willem Tell]

Hi Alberto,

Driving one of these beauties makes for much more inspiration and conviction when you dive into improvement projects!

This one is in your neighborhood:

BMW 2000 Classic Cars for Sale - Classic Trader

You want to buy a BMW 2000 classic car? 8 offers for classic BMW 2000 for sale and other classic cars on Classic Trader.

www.classic-trader.com

These two are probably within shouting distance of the cost of replacement sheet metal and parts from W&N! AND you get to drive them!

BMW 2000 Classic Cars for Sale - Classic Trader

You want to buy a BMW 2000 classic car? 8 offers for classic BMW 2000 for sale and other classic cars on Classic Trader.

www.classic-trader.com

BMW 2000 Classic Cars for Sale - Classic Trader

You want to buy a BMW 2000 classic car? 8 offers for classic BMW 2000 for sale and other classic cars on Classic Trader.

www.classic-trader.com

 

[Alberto Flores]

Honestly Alberto, you mention being on a budget...even if you have superlative welding skills, you still need steel panels to weld in as replacements.
Browse around the W&N site and start adding up all of the sheet metal you would need, and let that be your guide. just add it all into your basket and you can get a total easy enough (e.g., front and rear panels, A-pillars, 3 layers of rockers, spare wheel well, front nose, etc.). https://www.wallothnesch.com/en/karosserie-blechteile/bmw-2000-c-ca-cs/katalogbild-41-05.html
You may find that the total gives you a different budget, and the notion that buying a drive-able fixer-upper for a higher price is the better bet.

Hello Willem,
thanks for the link! I will check this!

 

[Alberto Flores]

You will spend just as much restoring a 2000CS as an e9 and still have a coupe that will be worth less than one half of an e9. And parts for a 2000CS will be even harder to find. This example has rust in all of the worst places and while there are owners here who could tackle such a task they are few and far between. You would need to do almost all of the body repairs yourself. I personally think this chassis is not worth the effort of even a seasoned owner. Always buy the best you can afford, this one will break your heart.

hello Chris, thanks for the input, this is what I was looking for, I was just looking at the positive side and was carried away. This is a quite rusted chassis, maybe I will let this one pass, thanks again!

 

[Alberto Flores]

thanks everyone for your comments, I am so happy that was able to enter the forum and have some guidance!

looking forward to continue learning, hopefully I can find something to put my hands on, I will let you know if the deal continues (not likely) or if I find something in better shape to start working on.

thanks again!

Alberto.

 

[Alberto Flores]

Hi Alberto,

Driving one of these beauties makes for much more inspiration and conviction when you dive into improvement projects!

This one is in your neighborhood:

BMW 2000 Classic Cars for Sale - Classic Trader

You want to buy a BMW 2000 classic car? 8 offers for classic BMW 2000 for sale and other classic cars on Classic Trader.

www.classic-trader.com

These two are probably within shouting distance of the cost of replacement sheet metal and parts from W&N! AND you get to drive them!

BMW 2000 Classic Cars for Sale - Classic Trader

You want to buy a BMW 2000 classic car? 8 offers for classic BMW 2000 for sale and other classic cars on Classic Trader.

www.classic-trader.com

BMW 2000 Classic Cars for Sale - Classic Trader

You want to buy a BMW 2000 classic car? 8 offers for classic BMW 2000 for sale and other classic cars on Classic Trader.

www.classic-trader.com

Hi Willem,

well this ones are so nice to see, they are actually real nice cars!

maybe for those price ranges I would try to go for a E9 instead, but they will go up in price of course.

thanks a lot for the links, I been searching around my area and haven't seen this ones.

Alberto.

 

[CSteve]

hello Chris, thanks for the input, this is what I was looking for, I was just looking at the positive side and was carried away. This is a quite rusted chassis, maybe I will let this one pass, thanks again!

Alberto, listen carefully to the car whisperes. They are politely telling you to RUN AWAY from the hulk. You say, and I quote, "I have a really limited budget." Long term you can't afford this car! I can't afford this car! Most of this forum members can't afford this car!

Steve

 

[Willem Tell]

Alberto,
Don't overlook the E3s as a great entry point at reasonable prices for the joy of driving!

BMW 3.0 Si (1973) - Oldtimer kaufen

Farbe: blau mét., Laufleistung: 118900 km, Fahrzeugart: Limousine, Interieur: Stoff, www.zwischengas.com

www.zwischengas.com

 

[Willem Tell]

Definitely less than the cost of sheet metal!

BMW 2500 Classic Cars for Sale - Classic Trader

You want to buy a BMW 2500 classic car? 1 offers for classic BMW 2500 for sale and other classic cars on Classic Trader.

www.classic-trader.com

Vehicle history:
The vehicle was first registered on 16.04.1973 in Lahnstein on a company Waldemar Schmidt with the registration number EMS-WS 20.
In the further course of time 3 further registration plates and long-term owners are known.
Since May 2006 the vehicle is in current hand.
During this time the following work was carried out:
The vehicle was repainted in the original colour "taiga metallic), the radiator was renewed and a hydraulic power steering was retrofitted.
Also a cavity sealing with "Mike Sander" was carried out.
The vehicle equipped with a 4-speed manual transmission is in good original condition and has run approx. 123,000 km (speedometer read off).
The 2500 has a 2.5 litre 6-cylinder in-line engine with 150 hp.
It is an unwelded, largely original condition vehicle with original interior.
A Classic Data short report certifies that the vehicle an overall condition of 2+.
The reliable vehicle is ready for use after an inspection, an H-certificate is available.
Sale takes place according to § 25 UstG (no VAT identification possible)

 

[Alberto Flores]

Definitely less than the cost of sheet metal!

BMW 2500 Classic Cars for Sale - Classic Trader

You want to buy a BMW 2500 classic car? 1 offers for classic BMW 2500 for sale and other classic cars on Classic Trader.

www.classic-trader.com

Vehicle history:
The vehicle was first registered on 16.04.1973 in Lahnstein on a company Waldemar Schmidt with the registration number EMS-WS 20.
In the further course of time 3 further registration plates and long-term owners are known.
Since May 2006 the vehicle is in current hand.
During this time the following work was carried out:
The vehicle was repainted in the original colour "taiga metallic), the radiator was renewed and a hydraulic power steering was retrofitted.
Also a cavity sealing with "Mike Sander" was carried out.
The vehicle equipped with a 4-speed manual transmission is in good original condition and has run approx. 123,000 km (speedometer read off).
The 2500 has a 2.5 litre 6-cylinder in-line engine with 150 hp.
It is an unwelded, largely original condition vehicle with original interior.
A Classic Data short report certifies that the vehicle an overall condition of 2+.
The reliable vehicle is ready for use after an inspection, an H-certificate is available.
Sale takes place according to § 25 UstG (no VAT identification possible)

thanks Willem!

I will continue the search, I am also looking to some bmw in USA, although that will involve bringing the car to Sweden, if I manage to do that, then it will be the move of the year. I quoted a container around 2000 dollars, only the transportation and was not including taxes, registration and the vehicle roadworthy clearance in Sweden.

have someone import a car from USA to europe?

thanks for all the help!

Alberto.

 

[Keshav]

Hi Alberto,
the easiest and cheapest import of classic cars to Northern Europe ( vehicles which are over 30 yrs old) is to the Netherlands. They have the lowest import tax rates, as far as I know. Easy to Google that and inform yourself. Of course you’d want to check with the Swedish authorities whether they will accept the Netherlands import and tax rules. Should be since Sweden is in the EU. Germany does.....
here’s a starting point.

Duties and VAT Oldtimer/Classical car import USA - SCL

SCL Rotterdam has become a true customs expert in importing and exporting Classic Cars. Contact us for more information about VAT and import duties!

sclrotterdam.com

Keshav

 

[Willem Tell]

Alberto,
If you want a detailed view of a 2000 CS here is a good example:
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPH7wNGS2w9uA2363W7qqUgKOWUifANuDGZMA70fFfyHA_W0iRN2kOBAM1krkH_sQ?key=SlBzYjBxaXpDb2FjUVlMMTMyQlp1Nng5aHJmNzd3

And for a 3.0 CS:

BMW 3.0 CS Inka

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