1972 Alpina B2 Cs!

Lots of $, but who knows where the value of that will go in the future. Real 73 RS Porsches can be double that price and have seen some go for 4X that amount.
 
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What is a B2s ?
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Alpina-modified 6-cylinder motor usually with triple side draft carburetors, either solex or Weber. Corresponding engine modifications: modified combustion chamber on the cylinder head, greater-lift/duration Alpina cam, Alpina-made special pistons, rods, modified oil pump. There were many chassis mods available as well and often included on Alpina-prepped E9s, as well as E3s and even a couple E12s, but strictly-speaking the B2 and B2S were engine mods. Some mechanically fuel-injected engines were seemingly also sold in street cars with the B2S designation.
Tony.dreamer said:
How many of them are made ?
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No one really knows, Alpina-designated dealers early on could (and did) add the modifications to their customer's cars on order, they ARE very uncommon. IMO this white car is very light in details in the advertisement and would need to be very heavy in legit documentation (a.k.a. bona fide provenance) at that quarter million dollar price. Oh, and if I were shopping, it'd have to be an absolutely solid original car or VERY well-documented restoration to command such a price.
 
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Correct me if I am wrong but this is a 3.0 CS Alpina conversion that happened later in life right? Was it in 2011/12 or earlier? I’m in love with Alpina bits as much as the next guy, but I’d rather have a stock CSL in this case.
 
Markos said:
Correct me if I am wrong but this is a 3.0 CS Alpina conversion that happened later in life right? Was it in 2011/12 or earlier? I’m in love with Alpina bits as much as the next guy, but I’d rather have a stock CSL in this case.
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did it say that in the ad??? Or is there past discussion/history refs about this specific car?
 
dp said:
did it say that in the ad??? Or is there past discussion/history refs about this specific car?
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It mentions work done in 2011/2012. It is also listed as a 3.0 CS. Also, it doesn’t look like a CSL. It has standard bumpers, no stainless arches, aftermarket scheels, a white headliner, a torsion bar hood, etc.

As silly as it sounds it is the smaller Alpina steering wheel with a collapsible hub that makes me think it was a later conversion.
 
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Markos said:
It mentions work done in 2011/2012. It is also listed as a 3.0 CS. Also, it doesn’t look like a CSL. It has standard bumpers, no stainless arches, aftermarket scheels, a white headliner, a torsion bar hood, etc.

As silly as it sounds it is the smaller Alpina steering wheel with a collapsible hub that makes me think it was a later conversion.
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aha! not too far down the rabbit hole after all!
 
Hi Guys,

Ok this is what they state:

(Dieser hier von uns angebotene BMW-Alpina B2 hat original 107.272 km, unfallfrfei, stammt aus 2.Hand und ist ein vollkommen originales Auto, das als Neuwagen von Alpina umgerüstet wurde. sämtliche Nummern (Fahrgestell - Motor - Zylinderkopf) sind original und zertifiziert.

The car we offer a BMW-Alpina B2 with original 107.272km, accident free, 2 previous owners and absolutely original. As a new car it was adapted by Alpina including all numbers, chassis, engine and cylinder heads) All are original and certified.

Der Wagen wurde im Jahr 2011/12 komplett und umfassen restauriert und präsentiert sich heute in einem nahezu "NEUZUSTAND"

The car was completely restored in 2011/2012 and today presents it self in close to new condition.
 
Haven’t seen this kind of seat/ cloth combination. The seat’s side bolsters are in cloth as opposed to vinyl on the Scheel 100‘s. Head rest looks different too. If those seats were some special Alpina seats, they would have likely had the Alpina cloth.
The initial owner was reserved in his wishlist of all the goodies offered back then, like the 5 speed ZF, B2S rims, steering wheel etc.
Lots of cash for a CS with some Alpina bits. As Marcos said, Preferably a standard csl for that price, although even a standard restored LHD csl is getting hard to find for that price.

This dealer sold the last built csl 4355057 only but 5-6 years ago for a price that a top restored CS demands today!
 

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The Alpina B2 engines were used in the following cars : non-CSL E9s (normally 3.0CS), E3 3.0S or E12 525/528.
The B2 engines had non hemispherical combustion chambers and used the cast pistons of the 3.0CSi.
Gas flow was carefuly optimised.
With the Alpina 300 degree camshaft, Alpina triple carb setup and Alpina special exhaust, these engines made initially 215hp (until early 1971 ?), then 230hp.


The B2S engines were built only in CSLs.
These engines had hemispherical combustion chambers and forged pistons (S = Schmiedekolben).

With the 300 degree camshaft and triple carb setup and special exhaust, these engines produced 245-250hp.

The B3 engine were B2S with a few extra mods (bigger valves ?).

A few cars used the D-Jetronic and were named B4 (230hp) and B4S (250hp)

Only one car used a Kugelfischer mecanical injection with individual throttle bodies - Bovensiepen's blue car with a red stripe.


The Scheels in Kleissler's white 3.0CS B2 are Scheel 200 Touring.

They were in BMW's accessory catalogue for a while.

It was possible to order a new car with the Scheel 200 from the factory.
 
Kleissler is a brand in itself, they are on market of classic BMW's for yeaaaaarsss, I do not think they would risk issuing an uncertain announcement.
 
I think it is legit, it just doesn’t do anything for me. About the steering wheel, I didn’t think of it yesterday but a local member’s B2S has the smaller wheel in it also. It definitely looks original.
 
Thank you everyone for the education! Fascinating!!
All I noticed on the car was kidney Grill is 4spoke(not 5)and it is a 72 model...

There was a interesting debate on this forum about 4 spoke introduction perhaps sometime in late 73 or more likely in 74.
 
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Yes, thanks all for info and input, always interesting.

Sounds like the matter (an Alpina or CSL? Chocolate or vanilla?) should be solved the old fashioned way....at WOT!

We all anxiously await your findings..... of course I'd never kick either lovely out of the bed for eating crackers ;-)
 
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