1972 BMW 2002te EV Conversion

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IDK...Factory 2002 Turbo or this...actually I do know...not even a question... I'd go for the Turbo...thoughts?

 
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My thought is that it appears to be a super-clean build, probably done by a professional who knew both vintage BMW's and electric cars. The auction ended at $130K with the reserve not met, which suggests to me that the seller spent a bundle having the car built and hoped to get much of it back.

While I admire projects like this, it's not something that I would want.
 
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I saw this and watched the auction a while, didn’t expect it to get to that price! And still not sell…

If I remember right it was a demo vehicle for a company that does these conversions?

Personally I wouldn’t mind this if my engine needed a rebuild and this was a cheap and reliable alternative. But for $130k that’s insane. Maybe another decade and these kits will be reasonable?
 
I also found the bid level rather surprising. Probably a wonderful build. But within an audience of petrol-heads, those with deep interest are probably a small subset. I don't fit well into that subset; would rather enjoy a classic car in its original, ICE configuration. My EV would be a modern one.
 
Not only that, the Seller listed the build cost: "Build is $250K+." WOW, no way they are going to recoup close to that. I thought the high bid was way high in the first place. Not my cup of tea, like driving a 2002 golf cart and still a little confused on the math with the build cost. That is ridiculous.
 
especially with the consideration that new builds from that company are in the 110k range plus the car. i tend to agree with the consensus, an Ev seems more like a modern car and keep vintage cars vintage. where i think most car companies are getting it wrong (from my point of view) is to make some small / sporty Ev that are fun to drive around town where you are only going to drive less than 100 miles in any given day or two. i am not interested in an Ev for the long haul because the infrastructure just isn't set up to drive from GA to anywhere more than 300 miles. stopping and buying gas is much quicker.

i would like to see BMW make a M2e or Audi make a TTe ... i've heard the rumors about Porsche turning the cayman + boxster into Ev ... just haven't seen it yet. on the other hand, it will be a fast / heavy car that takes a bit of the 'sport' out of it.
 
And then another pops up...not the same build quality but much more in the price range I would expect from previous sale.

 
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especially with the consideration that new builds from that company are in the 110k range plus the car. i tend to agree with the consensus, an Ev seems more like a modern car and keep vintage cars vintage. where i think most car companies are getting it wrong (from my point of view) is to make some small / sporty Ev that are fun to drive around town where you are only going to drive less than 100 miles in any given day or two. i am not interested in an Ev for the long haul because the infrastructure just isn't set up to drive from GA to anywhere more than 300 miles. stopping and buying gas is much quicker.

i would like to see BMW make a M2e or Audi make a TTe ... i've heard the rumors about Porsche turning the cayman + boxster into Ev ... just haven't seen it yet. on the other hand, it will be a fast / heavy car that takes a bit of the 'sport' out of it.
Agree with your points. EV = Heavy = poorer dynamics. They serve non-enthusiast purposes.
 
My company just sent out an email to those of us that have company cars asking us to take a survey about moving to all electric vehicles. They did the same thing a couple of years ago and it was rejected by almost all of us. Sooner or later, they will probably move that way or it least have an EV on the list of cars we can order. I currently have a level 2 (management or senior) GMC SUV that has a lot more options than a level one car but, by no means, is it anything fancy. If I were forced drive an EV, I would drive a Rivian, BMW, or a Tesla - but we won't get anything close to those. It will be a GM or Ford product - maybe a Toyota.
 
modern BMW are heavy ... they just have powerful engines to push them along. i wouldn't buy one of those either. i like 3000 lb cars or less. remember back in the 70s when there were cars that weighed around 2000 lbs +/- .... how about 1550 lbs (lotus europa) or the 2002 - less than 2200 lbs / 320i - 2275 lbs
 
My 2021 Tesla Model 3 rear wheel drive weighs 3,582 pounds. A 2021 BMW 330i rear wheel drive weighs 3,560 pounds. Are neither for a non-enthusiast?
Seems like the Model 3 would be an exception to my point. I have read that it is a wonderful car. Nice engineering feat to keep it at 3,582 lbs. Most EVs gain around 1,000 lbs relative to a comparable ICE vehicle. Lower center of gravity certainly helps.....there is still increased mass to contend with.

And yes, plenty of modern gasoline/hybrid cars are porkers. The new M5 comes to mind. Might be why enthusiasts are roundly criticizing it.
 
The new M5 is top of the Porker class at 5,500lbs!

I am not a fan of EVs either, although, I completely understand that they have their place in today's market. And one day when I am really old and just want to go from point A to B, then I will order a driverless EV to take me around. And once in a while I will order it to take itself through the automatic car wash! :)

Regarding a 1972 2002; I actually own one and I am in the midst of building a HotRod using an S14/245/E21 LSD/ large disc brakes, etc. I am hoping to land around 2,200 lbs and under. TBD.
 
Your 2002 build sounds delicious. I hope you post your results on this forum.

Of note, the 2002te that is the subject of this thread is "said to weigh approximately 2400 lbs" which is not bad for an EV conversion. They sourced the smaller BMW I3 battery pack to keep weight down.

I would vote for the S14 swap, however.
 
Having done three e9 EV conversions now I think I have a perspective.

It isn't for everyone, nor for every car. No one should take a CSL or a nice CSi and convert it. But my USA automatic was a prime candidate. I was never going to leave it stock. I initially engaged sfDon to help with a 3.5 injected 5 speed build. Perhaps that wouldn't have changed the character of the car as much as doing the EV conversion but let's not kid ourselves -- it is still a big deviation from stock and not cheap to accomplish well. In the end I would've had just a another resto modded e9. Not that there's anything wrong with them -- they're great. It's just that there are hundreds already just like it. Instead, I opted for a project that caused me to learn a lot of stuff I found interesting and allowed me the freedom to create something more unique. And cost me a lot more time and money. I'm not saying it is better in all respects but I like it.

The heaviest one we've done (my son-in-law's) weighs 3,500 pounds. That's with 80kwh (15 Tesla Model S battery modules) and a Tesla Model S large drive unit. Don't even try to floor it in sport mode at under 30 mph as it just lights up the tires. It has VW rack and pinion steering, Ground Control coilovers, and big Wilwood brakes. I don't think anyone who drives it would call it non-enthusiastic. Certainly everyone I've ever let drive or ride in it has come away amazed. It even handles curves well. Granted, it is 300 pounds heavier than stock but it more than compensates for that with boundless torque and power.

The second one (mine) has 14 modules and a Model S small rear drive unit. *Only* 298 horsepower but lighter by 200 pounds due to stock suspension and brakes, one less battery, and some other savings. Still fun.

The third one just came back from paint and was only driven for shake down. It has 16 modules and large sport drive unit with a different VCU, electric rack and pinion, coilovers, big brakes, a Quaife locking diff, etc. It might end up slightly over 3,500 pounds but should be insane when done. The owner has track aspirations for it.

I'm a snob for range and power so I'm not particularly enamored by the 2002 with only 33kwh and a 178 hp Tesla front drive unit but it is a clean build. Besides, everyone lies about range and weight. I doubt that car weighs 2400 pounds. The i3 battery alone weighs 256 kg (563 pounds) and the front drive unit is 90kg (200 pounds). Add the OBC, DC/DC, BMS, A/C, etc. and it would have to weigh more than the original 4 banger, trans and diff so that takes the original 2,250 pound car higher I suspect. It also isn't a 400 volt battery -- it is 355-360 volts so believe what you will. Maybe a rounding error. As for 200 km (120 mile) range with only 33kwh, I'm suspect there too. My Fiat 500e has 24kwh, weighs 2,980 pounds and gets 90 mile range. Less efficient aero, tires, etc on the 2002. We're getting about 200 miles from 80kwh when Tesla gets 235 miles from 72kwh because these aftermarket conversions are never as efficient as OEM. The other conversion that kept the trans with 28kwh and 63 hp motors is much worse in power, range and efficiency. At low power and limited range they're just hobby cars and aren't interesting but with enough power and range the equation changes.

The cost of doing these is more than most of you would want to spend and I'm not sure anyone should ever expect to recoup their investment and one can certainly argue about the soul of car being lost. But the end results are personalized and special and a lot more fun than you think.

 
I think a vintage car should remain just that, a vintage car with the original drivetrain. We all know custom builds like this will never get their money back. So $130K seemed right. Regarding EV's, we got my lovely wife a Rav4 Prime XSE (plug-in hybrid). Wow, this thing is efficient! We get 44 miles on a charge (she has a short commute to work), and 600 total miles range. We never have to worry about running out of juice, and put in a tank of gas every two months. It's no wonder Toyota cant keep the Prime in stock, its an incredible value IMHO.
 
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