1972 BMW 3.0 CSL only 40k Euro

lhd csl vin but with a sunroof? I know some rhd csls had sunroofs but lhd?
 
Sunroofs certainly can be installed aftermarket. My sunroof was installed by American Sunroof after delivered to the US. It was an expensive installation. I was told it added almost 50% to the cost of the car when new.
 
Csl

Not so many CSL attributes left, if any? Wrong seats(front and rear), wrong steering weel, wrong shift knob, wrong Wheels, wrong engine, wrong exhaust, wrong outside rear view mirrors etc, etc. Sunroof was most certainly not there from the beginning. I suspect this car's only true CSL attribute is is the chassisnumber. Most probably it comes from a smashed car and welded into a sunroof equipped 3.0 cs/csi body.
 
Interesting.

Anyone have any info on that antennae? OEM option or period aftermarket??
I came across something similar on a parked CS in SF years ago.

 
its kind of like a predecessor of the antenna on an e30 m3 ... which was made by hirschmann
 
It looks like a Renault antenna, or possibly a Citroen. The centered placement above the windscreen is common on French cars. As you can see from the yellow headlights, this CSL already has some French influences (even though the car is in Germany).

shanon said:
Interesting.

Anyone have any info on that antennae? OEM option or period aftermarket??
I came across something similar on a parked CS in SF years ago.

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Steering Wheel Query

PV-ALPINA said:
Not so many CSL attributes left, if any? Wrong seats(front and rear), wrong steering weel, wrong shift knob, wrong Wheels, wrong engine, wrong exhaust, wrong outside rear view mirrors etc, etc. Sunroof was most certainly not there from the beginning. I suspect this car's only true CSL attribute is is the chassisnumber. Most probably it comes from a smashed car and welded into a sunroof equipped 3.0 cs/csi body.
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Thanks - I agree with this assessment but wondered if you could add more detail on why the steering wheel is not 'original'.

I have a largely original RHD City Pack and it has this same light weight Alpina steering Wheel as in this shot (below and this largely unoriginal CSL). This is the third such instance of such a steering wheel in a RHD City Pack car I have seen and I wonder if all owners have lost or sold their original Petri and bought the same light weight alpina or whether it was some sort of option. As I am restoring the car I would welcome your thoughts and any history on this type of steering wheel and why it is not legitimate and preferred by people over buying a Petri as the Alpina's are unlikely to be much cheaper - but make it perhaps more like an Alpina CSL or just more light weight with an after market add on but that seems inconsistent as very few people take more weight off a CSL by adding say lighter tool kits (taking out the clam shell) etc.

Thanks in advance.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=...andvintagebmw.tumblr.com%2F3.0cslinfo;500;300
 
Atavistic said:
Thanks - I agree with this assessment but wondered if you could add more detail on why the steering wheel is not 'original'.

I have a largely original RHD City Pack and it has this same light weight Alpina steering Wheel as in this shot (below and this largely unoriginal CSL). This is the third such instance of such a steering wheel in a RHD City Pack car I have seen and I wonder if all owners have lost or sold their original Petri and bought the same light weight alpina or whether it was some sort of option. As I am restoring the car I would welcome your thoughts and any history on this type of steering wheel and why it is not legitimate and preferred by people over buying a Petri as the Alpina's are unlikely to be much cheaper - but make it perhaps more like an Alpina CSL or just more light weight with an after market add on but that seems inconsistent as very few people take more weight off a CSL by adding say lighter tool kits (taking out the clam shell) etc.

Thanks in advance.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=...andvintagebmw.tumblr.com%2F3.0cslinfo;500;300
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I am by no means an expert on this, but I suspect that you area dealing with a rather common 1980's upgrade. Alpina parts have always been desirable. Early Alpina wheels used The non-dished Momo prototipo, with a black finish. I'm not sure when this Alpina wheel originated, but it has a production run through the late 80's, and possibly early 90's. I almost bought one recently but it didn't seem period correct to me. However, the design isn't that far off from the 1974 E9 wheel.

Peek your head around and look at the backside of the wheel. You will see that it is made by Momo, and it has a production year listed. As an example, take a look at the same wheel listed on ebay, with a '87 production year:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ORIGINAL-BM...E32-/301596418048?hash=item46388c2000&vxp=mtr

There are other clues to look out for. The early MOMO logo was 'stacked', like the prototipo in this ad:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Sta...911-/161650151635?hash=item25a31990d3&vxp=mtr

This went through the mid 70's, and moved into the current design. I also believe that the wheel serial number didn't start appearing until the early 80's.

Here are a few decent threads on the subject. I think you need to subscribe to both to see the images though, and I think FerarriChat is exclusive (shocking)...

http://www.early911sregistry.org/forums/showthread.php?52561-The-evolution-of-the-Momo-logo&

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/20...ng-wheels-history-steering-wheel-206-s-2.html

Anyway, take a look at the stampings on the back of the wheel and report back!
 
RE: steering wheeel

Steering wheel in this car for sale (i think) is referred to as an 'M1' or 'Motorsport' wheel and appeared in the original M1s and early M cars (M535). So late 70s early 80s....!?

Have driven a manual steering box'd E9 with a M1 wheel and it was a lot of effort around a parking lot and 3 point turn. That M1 wheel (size unknown) felt and looked smaller than a 350mm.

Early, flat 350mm Alpina '3-spokers' are pre-date coded and have a stacked Momo logo on the back of 6 o'clock spoke as Markos mentioned. Later 380mm 3-spokers have stamped Alpina logo 'one hole' lower than earlier 350mm units making it easy to differentiate the two without a tape. Also, looks like 10 & 2 arms have a different curvature/arch than the 350s.

I'd wager 380s evolved for the larger cars (e9s and e3s) offering a bit more leverage. 350s were in the early Alpina catalogs and 2800cs racers/conversions.

Below is a re-pop of a early 3-spoker with a flat, later model Momo Prototipo style donor. Notice 'horizontal' MOMO logo on front. It is not stamped Alpina anywhere that I noticed.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/261858083123?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&fromMakeTrack=true

hth!
 
shanon said:
Below is a re-pop of a early 3-spoker with a flat, later model Momo Prototipo style donor. Notice 'horizontal' MOMO logo on front. It is not stamped Alpina anywhere that I noticed.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/261858083123?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&fromMakeTrack=true

hth!
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Good info. FYI - I believe that genuine Alpina wheels always had "Alpina" engraved into them. I just bought a similar vintage momo wood wheel on Ebay for $160. If you look at the early Prototipo Momo wheels, they didn't flare out at the end like the one in the link. The one in the link (and mine) look more like an early "Indy" wheel.
 
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