1973 baikal 3.0cs on BaT

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Man, you really have to wonder about this car. It looks to me like lipstick on a pig. I bought a car exactly like this when I was young and stupid. Fresh paint, nice clean interior, ran great. It literally fell to the ground within two years. Hard lesson. Won't repeat that again. I wish WOB would take the critical pics and post them: firewall from the glove box, rear fender wells with the back seats removed, and rocker covers removed (right and left for all). If there is a huge spot like we see in the pic, its really likely there is more in the usual places. Then there is the obvioius bondo filler slathered on the inside of the fenders (they didnt even try to smooth it out). How could they not adress this first? Will be very interesting to see what this sells for. I wont be buying it, thats for sure!
 
That whole car is filled with bondo for sure…. BTDT.

The Whole litany by Wob is a farce… what a tool. He knows it’s a bondo bucket and is an awful seller.

Years ago BAT would have put a stop to this nonsense.
 
So this car sold for $46k. Its either the buy of a lifetime or someone got duped big time. WOB posted the pics I was looking for 9 mins before the end of the auction. That feels iffy to me. Had a I seen them a day or two ago maybe I would have thought differently? I was so badly burned on my last coupe I'm a bit gunshy. At least I know where to look. Man, those bondo filled fenders tho......
 
I think that pic of what deQuincey posted did show a bit of "lipstick on a pig" kind of presentation. But I want to be careful as I hope the new owner joins the site and gives us all some feedback on this ride. Someone mentioned those are "wood screws" but aren't those self tapping sheet metal screws? Or a bit of both? either way, one would think a seller like WOB who does seem to get some amazing cars/trucks in the stable to sell, would address an issue like this (through rust & screws) knowing how much it will affect the final hammer price.

I've dealt with Avant-Garde (911r) and I don't think they would let something like that slip through the pre-check before addressing the issue, especially before the photographer gets to it.

Better to spend some money and address the issue before taking all these photoshopped pictures and presenting the coupe like they did (IMHO). I kind of am re-thinking WOB's cars now, before they seemed legit. Now they are looking more like a glorified BHCC operation. And I want to say, I'm not trying to disparage them and have not inspected any of their vehicles in person, but I will say it has me kind of questioning their sales/marketing techniques after this coupe sale.

I think they knew if they didn't list at "No Reserve" a sale wouldn't have been made with their initial sales expectations.

But another sale in the books on a Coupe on BaT and the market has spoken I guess. Love the color of course!
 
GolfBavaria said:
I kind of am re-thinking WOB's cars now, before they seemed legit. Now they are looking more like a glorified BHCC operation. And I want to say, I'm not trying to disparage them and have not inspected any of their vehicles in person, but I will say it has me kind of questioning their sales/marketing techniques after this coupe sale.
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WOB has a very different business model than BHCC - WOB is simply a middleman for car owners who don't want to deal directly with BAT and its users. They don't own the cars, just represent what has been offered to them. Sure, some of the cars they help owners sell are bit of "lipstick on a pig" while others are 100 point examples.

My gripe with WOB is their photography, with its black backgrounds and low light. It may look arty, but makes it hard to evaluate the cars.
 
Fair points GB and JM. I notice WOB's cars are photographed in a studio with faux lighting. A couple of pics were taken outside, and you can clearly see the interior color is very different in the studio than outside. That makes you wonder about photoshopping and air brushing. And what you ar ereally bidding on. If I lived in CA I might have gone to see the car, the price is great. But I live in the tundra of Vermont so that isnt going to happen!
 
jmackro said:
WOB has a very different business model than BHCC - WOB is simply a middleman for car owners who don't want to deal directly with BAT and its users. They don't own the cars, just represent what has been offered to them. Sure, some of the cars they help owners sell are bit of "lipstick on a pig" while others are 100 point examples.

My gripe with WOB is their photography, with its black backgrounds and low light. It may look arty, but makes it hard to evaluate the cars.
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Much like Avant-Gardes business model then. But they should still take pride in what they are selling and have some set of standards to adhere to (a checklist of sorts) before putting their brand and name on a car they are selling. IDK, just me I guess...reputation is hard to earn, easy to lose.
 
The consignor “Wob” fell over him/herself talking about the minor nature of the rust. Given the obviously smoothed over style lines along the sides, as well as the well ventilated tunnel, I’m not so sure the problems are minor. My coupe looked great on the outside when I bought it in April, and only had some surface rust under the hood. But it is still requiring tens of thousands to make everything right (engine bay clean up, mechanical issues included).
 
BimRLuvR said:
bondo filler slathered on the inside of the fenders
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what you see is filler pushed thru gaping rust holes from the outside of the body. Most likely the rust was ground out with a wire brush then bubba with a big putty knife just stuffed the holes shut with waterproof filler. If the car never sees humidity or moisture again this repair might hold up for quite a while. At least there is no visible newspaper and cardboard ised to bridge the holes.

I think WOB should be given credit for posting those few rust-thru pictures. It’s almost as if he is saying “buyers beware,” without directly working against his job to sell the car for the consigner. I don’t see anything that couldn’t be fixed for $75-$100k.
 
For me the money pit is the front end and the sills of the car. The (flat) floors are relatively simple (cheap) to fix compared to e.g rusted out front strut.
Most difficult is to assess the state of the pandora Box, although the view from behind the fuse box and glovebox seems problem free (i have gaping holes there):
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For ~45K, it's not a bad car me thinks. I do like to original (patina) look of the engine bay - if the front end and the sills are in an OK state; I'd be a happy buyer at 45K. (Not that i have it though...).

I do not see any value in the paintjob at all, as i fear the pushed-through bondo will soon fail.

Still, it's a new, proud e9 owner, and who knows? They may make it perfect for all of us to be jealous about in 5 years time?
 
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