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I am looking to purchase a 3.0 for a light restoration project with my 13 year old son. I have found a 1971 3.0 cs with all the original equipment less the carbs. It has a restored interior maybe a 7 out of 10 and a few visible rust spots around the back window and tail lights. As it has no carbs, I have no idea if the engine is in running order.
I know this question come with a lot of well it depends responses but what do you think it is worth. The gentleman that is selling it says that everything was running in 2002 when the care was taken out of service for a restoration project.

Thanks in advance for the advice

Savas
 
I am looking to purchase a 3.0 for a light restoration project with my 13 year old son. I have found a 1971 3.0 cs with all the original equipment less the carbs. It has a restored interior maybe a 7 out of 10 and a few visible rust spots around the back window and tail lights. As it has no carbs, I have no idea if the engine is in running order.
I know this question come with a lot of well it depends responses but what do you think it is worth. The gentleman that is selling it says that everything was running in 2002 when the care was taken out of service for a restoration project.

Thanks in advance for the advice

Savas
 
Be careful..I bought a "rust free" car from guy in

Be careful... I bought a "rust free" car from a guy in Colorado who sells coupes. Claimed no rust, southwest car imported from Italy....Well, take a look at that rust free car under Coupeking.com "project" section the Trifive. That is my rust free car going through a restoration process. Your seller may be honest...but these cars could have rust in many hidden places. I thought I was buying a car from a coupe expert that sold many of these cars and advertised "rust free cars"...
abe
 
Be careful..I bought a "rust free" car from guy in

Be careful... I bought a "rust free" car from a guy in Colorado who sells coupes. Claimed no rust, southwest car imported from Italy....Well, take a look at that rust free car under Coupeking.com "project" section the Trifive. That is my rust free car going through a restoration process. Your seller may be honest...but these cars could have rust in many hidden places. I thought I was buying a car from a coupe expert that sold many of these cars and advertised "rust free cars"...
abe
 
Boy,if you were given the car for free you would still be looking at couple of thousand to see if you had a running car?But having boys myself and purchasing one a few months ago because I always wanted one and having my boys at the time questioning my judgement to sell our tii of 15yrs to have a CS,I would do it all over again and they would push me!
But if I were to give you some advise I would look for a rust free running car even if you had to save for awhile because everything is expensive on these cars.Hope this helps and if you could post photos you can get a better idea on the price you should pay. Tim.
 
Boy,if you were given the car for free you would still be looking at couple of thousand to see if you had a running car?But having boys myself and purchasing one a few months ago because I always wanted one and having my boys at the time questioning my judgement to sell our tii of 15yrs to have a CS,I would do it all over again and they would push me!
But if I were to give you some advise I would look for a rust free running car even if you had to save for awhile because everything is expensive on these cars.Hope this helps and if you could post photos you can get a better idea on the price you should pay. Tim.
 
Thanks for the advice I agree the risk of the rust being worse than advertised is significant. Here is a link to a few pictures. Let me know what you think.

Savas

[/url]http://picasaweb.google.com/tnsavas/30Cs#
 
Thanks for the advice I agree the risk of the rust being worse than advertised is significant. Here is a link to a few pictures. Let me know what you think.

Savas

[/url]http://picasaweb.google.com/tnsavas/30Cs#
 
From the photos you posted on picassa, it doesn't look terrible. Then too, you omitted shots of the most rust-prone areas on a coupe. How do the fenderwells look under the hood, in the vicinity of the upper spring mounts?

The interior looks decent. Is that an automatic console I see in the photo? I would deduct $$$$$ for an automatic.

It's weird that the carbs were removed and I assume, lost. If you can't locate the original Zeniths, Weber 32/34's will bolt onto the manifold. 32/34's can be bought new, and work OK.

It might be worth having a professional bodyshop inspect the car. The black rocker cover can be easily removed to inspect for rust in the sills. The carpets can be pulled back to inspect the floors. And again, check around the spring towers. If all that looks OK, it could be a find.
 
From the photos you posted on picassa, it doesn't look terrible. Then too, you omitted shots of the most rust-prone areas on a coupe. How do the fenderwells look under the hood, in the vicinity of the upper spring mounts?

The interior looks decent. Is that an automatic console I see in the photo? I would deduct $$$$$ for an automatic.

It's weird that the carbs were removed and I assume, lost. If you can't locate the original Zeniths, Weber 32/34's will bolt onto the manifold. 32/34's can be bought new, and work OK.

It might be worth having a professional bodyshop inspect the car. The black rocker cover can be easily removed to inspect for rust in the sills. The carpets can be pulled back to inspect the floors. And again, check around the spring towers. If all that looks OK, it could be a find.
 
There is no such thing as a "light restoration" of an E9. If you're seeing rust externally, be sure that much more lurks in deep, dark places you don't talk about at cocktail parties. Bodywork on these cars is both complex and expensive and the lack of carburetors will cause you some amount of pain. I suppose restoring an E9 will be a good father/son exercise. It will definitely teach both of you patience, tenacity and forgiveness.

-tj in Los Gatos
 
There is no such thing as a "light restoration" of an E9. If you're seeing rust externally, be sure that much more lurks in deep, dark places you don't talk about at cocktail parties. Bodywork on these cars is both complex and expensive and the lack of carburetors will cause you some amount of pain. I suppose restoring an E9 will be a good father/son exercise. It will definitely teach both of you patience, tenacity and forgiveness.

-tj in Los Gatos
 
carbs are available at the Milpitas Pick Your Part for cheap.
Zeniths in a Bav.
 
carbs are available at the Milpitas Pick Your Part for cheap.
Zeniths in a Bav.
 
Savas:

tj makes a good point when he comments that "light restoration" is a definite oxymoron. Particularly on a coupe, where simple rubber seals can run into hundreds of dollars.

But, if you don't attempt to get the cosmetics to the 100 point level, and focus on the mechanicals, I suppose a light restoration might be feasible - coupe mechanical parts aren't that costly. Still, it would be better to start with a runner, if the goal was simply to build a reliable, presentable coupe.

The seller's comment that "it ran when it was parked" borders on hilarious - pretty much every seller says that. Heck, every car runs until it gets parked - that's why they get parked! Fuel and hydraulic systems degrade when they are left sitting - particularly over periods as long as 7 years. It may take some work to get this thing running again. Still, if the price is right.......
 
Savas:

tj makes a good point when he comments that "light restoration" is a definite oxymoron. Particularly on a coupe, where simple rubber seals can run into hundreds of dollars.

But, if you don't attempt to get the cosmetics to the 100 point level, and focus on the mechanicals, I suppose a light restoration might be feasible - coupe mechanical parts aren't that costly. Still, it would be better to start with a runner, if the goal was simply to build a reliable, presentable coupe.

The seller's comment that "it ran when it was parked" borders on hilarious - pretty much every seller says that. Heck, every car runs until it gets parked - that's why they get parked! Fuel and hydraulic systems degrade when they are left sitting - particularly over periods as long as 7 years. It may take some work to get this thing running again. Still, if the price is right.......
 
Thanks for the feedback... I am looking for somthing to just fiddle around with and a few years from now do a full restoration. I want to focus on the mechanical aspect of the car with my son for now and just do minimal body work to prevent futher damage. I think I can get the car for about 4k.

Thanks again for all of the advice it really helps. The bigest issue I have is the 3.0 is such a great looking car I am set on it. I know it will turn into a bigger project over time but heck that is half the fun/frustration...

Savas
 
Thanks for the feedback... I am looking for somthing to just fiddle around with and a few years from now do a full restoration. I want to focus on the mechanical aspect of the car with my son for now and just do minimal body work to prevent futher damage. I think I can get the car for about 4k.

Thanks again for all of the advice it really helps. The bigest issue I have is the 3.0 is such a great looking car I am set on it. I know it will turn into a bigger project over time but heck that is half the fun/frustration...

Savas
 
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