Any Former 911 owners?

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If you had or still have a nice air cooled 911, how can you contrast the feeling you get


1 Driving briskly

2: Driving it fast.

3. Comfort and Ergonomics

4: working on the car and keeping it in good shape.


Thanks in Advance.
 
In 1986 I had a 1967 zip out rear window targa original with 14k miles. Beautiful car. Unpleasant to drive around town because of need to keep it in high rev range. Fast, handled well, reasonably comfortable. I owned that and a CS at the same time, I sold the 911 because I liked driving the CS more. Not the right financial decision, but I'd do it again. I admire our cars' interiors and body lines more than any car except maybe a similar vintage Ferrari.
 
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I have 5 early 911s and do not understand your question?

Do you mean how does a stock 911 compare to a stock E9?... I does not...

The Porsche 911 especially the 911S was designed as a drivers car meant to be driven fast and hard...

The E9s were designed as a luxury car... Granted they can be easily transformed into a monster but that was not the question...
 

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Aftergoing backwards in my 911s just one time, I never could forget it.

Great car til you screw up and then the crap hits the fan.
 
Are you asking about an air cooled 911 from the same era ? Porsche used the air cooled engine up untill 1998 I believe !
 
I had a Diamond Blue Metallic '83 911 SC Cabriolet ---- the first year they brought back the ragtop. Great car ... let's face it everyone: Porsche makes great cars. But I got tired of everyone flipping me off for no reason (seriously!). Too many knuckleheads own Porsches and they ruin it for the rest of us.
 
and several different models ... the original 911 up to around '69, the slightly longer version of the 911 up to the mid 70's, the 911sc until the '89, the 964 carrera + variants from '89 to '94, and then the 993 + variants from '95 to '97. all look similar, but different. my favorite is the early / mid 70's and the 993.
 
RSPORSCHE The 911SC was made until 1984 then the Carrera 3.2...

The 3.0 911SC was an amazing car and it got even better with the 3.2 Carrera in 1985...

I did the Stunt Driving for Porsche in a 993 Prototype for a Porsche Commercial introducing the 993 at the US Auto Shows in 1995 and I absolutely loved driving that car! 90+ MPH around corners with one hand holding a Walkie Talkie talking to the director! "is this fast enough?"

I drove to the location in my 1973 911S Targa and after a day of hot laps in the 993 driving on the way home my 73 S felt like a VW Bug!
 
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Porsche/ E9

I have both cars and the Porsche is the most sporting and fun to drive hard. Even though the cs has lots of updates (3.5motronic, 5 speed, 16: wheels ect) my 94 Porsche Speedster wins by a mile.
 
Well, I have a 1966 Corvair Corsa (owned it since 1982). Not quite a Porsche, but I still love the design an departure this car was for American Mfg. It has never tried swapping ends, but I almost did meet my maker in it with terminal understeer on a wet road.
 
Some of the relevant from past and present...P vs. BMW...
The Porsche '56 356A, US '73 911T, '74 914 1.8, '79 928; the BMW Euro '72 2002, Euro '72 3.0CSi, Euro '79 Hartge 323is...and a '68 bug rebuilt with '72 911 (college car fun and fast)

1 Driving briskly the...the 356A and 911 (including the '68 great at high rpm's squirrelly and fun in the snow at Tahoe (the bug), the Hartge and 2002 were fun as well

2: Driving it fast...the 928 and 3.0CSi...both seem to ride on rails at speed due to great weight balance and they both have the "sound" though each different BIG 6 vs. the Big 8, the Hartge toped out

3. Comfort and Ergonomics...the 928 and 3.0CSi...luxury touring around town and even better at 120kph and higher

4: working on the car and keeping it in good shape...the '68 bug/911 but the 2002 easiest...all are/were a pleasure and pain, Priceless!

The MGB is neither air-cooled or German but great to keep your skills sharp in electronics, suspension, engine diagnostics...and overall coping with the unknown...
Jon
 
I have had a few P-cars- 76 914 2.0, 79 SC, 87 wide body and an 88. New to the CS world, but have an 88 M6...

Currently...
The SC is my daily driver- likes to be driven hard, light and quick (been re-cammed) and lowered a bit and corner balanced, so eats curves and hills. It has a somewhat obnoxious exhaust note that I have grown to enjoy- sets off car alarms in parking garages. Maybe I should act my age...or not.

The wide body 87 feels best when being "thrown around"- tight curves taken at the edge of traction, big braking, and shifts closer to red line than not. Accelerates quicker than the 79, but not near the same "fun factor"...

The M6 needs to be above 4k rpm before the power comes on- it is a big car built for touring, not small winding roads. Fits like a glove and very intuitive feeling drive.

The CS is just an elegant ride. Mine is all stock, so not as quick, not as fast and not as loud as the others, but it more than makes up for that in style and comfort. The others seem to get attention, in ways not always welcomed, but the CS makes other people smile, wave or pass a "thumbs up"- how much more could you ask for than a car that brings as many smiles to passers-by as it does the owner? To quote someone else, it is the perfect boulevard cruiser.

My two cents.
 
911s

I had an '82 911SC for eight years (just sold it due to job uncertainty). Mine was a targa with a tail. With the targa top off, it felt like an open car. SCs are fabulous cars, basically a 911 with the bugs worked out of them, CIS injection with Lambda sensor. They are, by modern standards, primitive cars -- no power steering. With the air-cooled engine (meaning air and oil-cooled), they always smell a little bit like exhaust and oil. If you've had Beetles, you'll feel right at home. The heater box levers between the seats -- just like a Beetle. Some folks are turned off by this but I found it absolutely intoxicating. The 915 gearbox in the pre-87 cars also has a notchy feel like a Beetle -- not at all the jewel-like BMW gearbox feel.

Driving Briskly -- Despite all the press about trailing throttle oversteer (which by the time they got fat rubber and big sway bars on the 'SC isn't quite as bad as you've read, but don't ever drive one drunk, don't ever chicken out in the middle of a corner, and don't do anything stupid if the rubber is old (ask me how I know)), the dominant handling characteristic (as compared to BMWs) is that the steering wheel fights you. The struts on the 911 have a lot of castor (like rake on a motorcycle) that creates a lot of centering force. So when you push it around an entrance ramp, it fights you. Coming from a BMW background (BMWs are pretty point and squirt by comparison), this is a VERY odd sensation, and your reaction is to grip the wheel so tightly the blood flows out of your knuckles, but it becomes addictive.

Obviously it is a completely different car from the E9, which obviously is a big touring car.

Driving it fast -- the SC has, I believe, around 190 HP, so while it's considerably less scoot than even an E36 M3, it's enough that it whispers to you to get on it.

Comfort -- I'm a little guy (5' 8") and I found the seating and steering wheel position in the 911 absolutely perfect. The gearing was also just perfect.

Working on the car -- Again, if you've owned Beetles, you'll feel right at home. One consequence of having a body that didn't change from '68 through '88 is that, as emissions and performance requirements increased and real estate didn't, components got crammed absolutely everywhere, including up under the fenders. I liked owning and working on the 'SC, but at times it was not an easy or a comfortable car to work on.

If I had the chance to do it over again, I'd buy a late Carrera, like an '88, to get the benefit of the 3.2 and the Motronics, and the smoother-shifting G50 gearbox.

If you've always wanted a 911, indulge yourself. I don't think you'll be disappointed. I wasn't.

--Rob
 
Rob,

Sorry to hear about you having to sell the P-car. Hopefully the job scare will turn out to be just that...

I too have a P-car. A '96 C4S in Speed Yellow. What I like most about it is how beautiful a car it is (and the 993 series in general). It is full of details harking back to the early 911's and with its short, well-proportioned snout, it's just soooo well balanced visually. This, in contrast to the longish snout and silly overhang on the 996s due to the radiators in front.

Rob: Are you taking any cars to the vintage this year? I'm driving the 1800.
 
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Driving to the Vintage

Luis, thanks for your concern. I hope to take my E9 to the Vintage (as I did last year), but whether I pull it off this year depends on what's happening work-wise. Certainly let's try and find each other and say hi. I'll look for an 1800; you can look for the Signal Red E9 with the "WARP9" plate. I think both will be pretty hard to miss. :mrgreen:

Hope to see you there!
 
Rob, hope you get another. I certainly would like one. Love the mechanical sound of an air cooled engine. Great description of the Porsche experience.
 
I am lucky enough to own both currently

a '70 2800CS, carbs/5 speed and an '82 911SC Targa. I love them both for different reasons. The 911, in my 2 years ownership and numerous beating, seems bulletproof, save for a few oil leaks. The CS is relaible as well, as is my 2002Tii, which is also a very fun car to drive.




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'70 2800CS
'72 2002 Tii
'82 911SC
'00 540 sport
 
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