Car Storage (Market Research Request)

bwalvoord

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I'm looking at buying a building close to my downtown neighborhood that includes a 10k sq/ft climate controlled (heat and dehumidifier) warehouse. I would like to use it as a shop as well as car storage and am considering a number of options and would appreciate this forums feedback.

1) Co-op garage supporting 20-25 members who would share tools, common lifts, etc. The biggest hurdle here is the liability but I like the idea of working on cars with others and garages (not to mention tall ones with lifts) are at a super premium in my pre-war neighborhood. Target range is 250/month/member

2) The other extreme is a car barn where I just store cars with very limited access. We schedule pickups and drops. 100/month per car.

There are lots of in betweens but there is only so much room and if people are going to be self-parking, security and extra space around each vehicle start to take up margin. In the surveying I've done locally, there is a lot of interest in a club type setup, but that involves a lot of upfront investment that I might rather spend on more cars of my own.

To be clear, this is not intended to be a money making venture, but hopefully something akin to what I find on this forum, or perhaps an extension of it. With any luck it would cover the note and in 20 years the building will be paid off and entirely full of my own relics which I won't be allowed to drive on public roads anyway.







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I see it as a recipe for conflict. Seems to me one member would do something very stupid with open gas and take the whole place out. I rented a garage off a friend a long time ago and without my knowledge he sublet the space to another guy who blew the place up while "Working" on his Nova. One of the nicest Simca Aronde's in existence went up with the building and I just have a spare tire left. This would work though with a small group of friends I think. Sharing tools could be problematic.

The wives will be suspicious.
 

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I see it as a recipe for conflict. Seems to me one member would do something very stupid with open gas and take the whole place out. I rented a garage off a friend a long time ago and without my knowledge he sublet the space to another guy who blew the place up while "Working" on his Nova. One of the nicest Simca Aronde's in existence went up with the building and I just have a spare tire left. This would work though with a small group of friends I think. Sharing tools could be problematic.

The wives will be suspicious.

An acquaintance of mine rents shared garage space. There has been some drama around moving project cars to get in and out, and the place is a bit of a mess. If started an operation like this, I wouldn't purchase community tools other than compressed air and the lifts. That money would be much better spent on a video system accessible via internet. Have a 'not responsible for lost or stolen items' policy, and request that all tool bins are locked. Most people already have tools and they can leave them there if they feel comfortable, or bring them along otherwise.

That looks like an amazing space. Can you keep the overkill engine hoist? :) Outside of the cost of liability insurance, have you looked at the utility bills? Is it safe to say it has a bathroom? You'll probably want to install eye rinsers, accessible extinguishers, etc. Do you need a fire suppression system? Also, do you need to address carbon monoxide with exhaust tubes or vent fans?
 

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I see it as a recipe for conflict. ...... Sharing tools could be problematic.

Are you suggesting that socialism doesn't work?

But seriously, I can't imagine the sharing thing working very well either. For example, who will be responsible when one tenant discovers a scrape/dent on his car that was obviously caused when another (unidentified) tenant moved his car? You can have a 'not responsible for lost or stolen items' policy, but that won't stop you from getting sued when someone's car is damaged or when someone gets injured.
 

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100/month storage around here is cheap. Where I have my cars stored, they charge a min of 150/month and then increase pending how often you want your car pulled out of storage. Also, everyone has to have a cover and a trickle charger.
 

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More space than you need?

I was able to buy an industrial warehouse condo that is 1000sf, but with high ceilings. I paid around 100k. I can fit five cars easily, and seven with two lifts, which I will get eventually.

Not sure I would want to get into it with all those folks. Maybe two or three friends, good friends.

Secure AC storage here is 250 per car month. I keep one car at that place (so I always have a "loaner"), which my mechanic owns and has a helper run. My mechanic says car storage is only a viable business because he already has the site (the storage building is behind his repair shop) and the helper. He already has the insurance, etc. The clients do not move their own cars, only the helper.

Maybe if you took that big space and sublet part of it to a mechanic or body guy and let him also babysit the storage part.

That would also mean that someone would always be around.

For me, though, it was simplest to get a small warehouse. It took me a couple of years of looking to find the right one.

Scott
 

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Thank you for the horror stories, please keep them coming. I think you all are generally aligned with the right side of my brain as well as my insurance agent in that the only safe way to go is to just store vehicles and not let anyone touch them.

I forgot to mention that in addition to the warehouse, there is a small office building in front of it where I will be working, along with a few additional offices to rent out. My schedule is pretty flexible so I am available most of the time to move a car out for an owner, but I will certainly need to figure out how to manage that demand with my lack of desire to be chained to the place. My son is only 9 so it will be a few years before he can take over.

The ultimate goal will be to get this place about half full, leaving the other half for the Don Lawrence East Coast operation. I don't know if I'll ever pry him away from Alameda, but he needs a shop out here and maybe I'll finally pick up a thing or two!

The crane comes with the building, although it's on tracks that are in the way so I think it's going to go. If I could figure out how to use it to stack the cars that would be one thing, but I think bendpak has an easier solution.

Finally, for those of you who haven't been to Greenville, SC, it's worth a visit.
 

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I would keep the car portion of the project to a tight, hand picked group. In addition to scratched cars, careless repair work, and tool issues, I have heard horror stories of parts missing off cars.

With the office space, you could think about renting to someone who could use the vehicle storage space (a plumber with a handful or trucks or a limo company, for example)
 

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Being in the mail-order drug business (the legal kind) I have a lot of experience in security and access control. I do think limiting access to stored cars and requiring covers will prevent a lot of issues. Not being able to recognize the Shelby gt 350 versus the stock removes a lot of innocent temptation that could turn into accidental bumps and scratches.
 

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I keep some project cars and parts in a place like your #1. The guy who has the big lease on the place is really easy to get along with and I haven't seen any drama. I pay $175/mo to keep 2 cars and parts there. I never signed a liability waiver or anything like that which was a surprise. We all have our own tools and only share the lift.

HTH
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I keep some project cars and parts in a place like your #1. The guy who has the big lease on the place is really easy to get along with and I haven't seen any drama. I pay $175/mo to keep 2 cars and parts there. I never signed a liability waiver or anything like that which was a surprise. We all have our own tools and only share the lift.

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James

That seems like a great deal. I pay $100 /mo for a dark 10x10 storage unit full of a handful of car parts.
 
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