CSL at RM Scottsdale

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I think this is TJ Noto's old car?
Maybe I am mistaken.

In any case, is the included 3.0 THE original motor or just one of the correct type? And the wheels, what?

Regardless, I hope the seller gets all the money, but it is a shame to have it in the catalog with those wheels. Looks like it belongs at the Silver auction.

Scott
 
RM csl

If the owner truly has all the original car specific parts in good working and original or restored condition, I suspect he would be many $$ ahead if the car was presented that way at auction. Then stick the performance upgrades in a nice CS.
 
Forget the wheels, what's up w/that aftermarket AC unit and the 3.5? "Holley fuel injection"? Hmm...maybe it's the electronics that's Holley. That's different.

At least put the battery back in its proper place and put a L-Jet/D-Jet intake mani/runners on it.

It's a nice rig, but a CSL w/that many mods...I dunno; I wouldn't have done it.

I predict it'll go to $110k due to the numerous non-original items that will have to get removed and a proper injection system put on it.
 
Yep, that's our old CSL. I do miss her somethin' fierce, but I knew that would be the case. I hope she goes to a new home, what us dog rescue freaks call a "furever home."

Happy New Year!
-tj in los gatos
 
I've driven behind this car before in Saratoga. Didn't know it belonged to someone on the board!
 
Question to the experts...... What attributed to the dramatic difference in the price of the 2 CSL's sold within 24 hrs? The Bat sold for practically 2.5 times the price of the non Bat? Tj's CSL looked like in very good condition in comparison, was it only due to the VIN, the large wing or the fact that it still had the original engine and a 4 speed g'box?
Wishing all a great weekend.
Keshav
 
Keshav said:
Question to the experts...... What attributed to the dramatic difference in the price of the 2 CSL's sold within 24 hrs? The Bat sold for practically 2.5 times the price of the non Bat? Tj's CSL looked like in very good condition in comparison, was it only due to the VIN, the large wing or the fact that it still had the original engine and a 4 speed g'box?
Wishing all a great weekend.
Keshav
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I'm not an expert, but IMHO- originality always wins. That plus it being a true Bat, and low production numbers. The lesser CSL was pretty far from how it was originally built.

Scott
 
As Scott mentions - originality and a few other things.

Like for like in originality we have differing degrees of CSL values.

For street CSL's, say a standard LHD car - not a Carb car or an injection car with all lightweight attributes - say a city pack CSL, currently sits about 40% less value than an equivalent Batmobile. This Batmobile perfectly shows that equation, a city pack CSL in equivalent condition is about $200k at the moment.

You then add in as these cars become more expensive, originality in the very special CSL's will/has become more important. These CSL's are moving in a direction from enthusiasts to much more affluent collectors and they value originality or should I say correctness more than anything else.

Then you look at where both cars were sold, in auctions where originality or perfectly restored in the correct manor with correct numbers matching engine is paramount - the standard CSL sold at RM was already on a beating to nothing.

That said - and I am not trying to be disparaging about anybodies car, as one mans meat is another mans poison - this standard CSL was changed too much for the audience it was in front of.
 
Value Delta?

The vin(bat) and the fact that it was matching #s, all there and not "improved" upon. As stated by scottd, originality will trump mods when comparing like cars... especially when you'r talking about the subset cars like CSLs or RSs, ect.
 
My old CSL was a good, but not great example when I sold it. The engine was a proper D-jet mill but it did not have a serial number on it leading me to believe it had been a factory replacement, installed at some point in the car's life. It had the very common and hard to remedy interior nits and some poorly repaired body damage in the rear which I discovered after purchasing it and after it had been painted. Note that I am basing these opinions on an objective 100 pt collectible, concours correct car, which my car would never have been.

The owner to whom I sold it did things I would have not, including those hideous wheels, but I did things to it early in my ownership that many rightfully took exception to, all of which were reversible. I hope the old and new owners enjoy the car for what it is, a good looking, very usable, somewhat rare example of a European GT. I know that I miss it, and despite my Italian sickness, would include it in my garage-mahal were time, space and monetary resources not an issue.

Ciao!
-tj in Los gatos
 
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