Differences in front fender extension parts; anyone know why / origin?

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I'm in the process to collect parts to tear down the front of my car. I've bought 2 extension parts for the front, as I think that they need replacement. The left side I bought from an old parts stash from a private person, the right side I bought through my local dealer. I was surprised, but they still had it! FYI also W&N sell them by the way.

However I noticed that there are differences between my 2 parts. Most noticeable is the locations of the 3 large (20mm) round holes; where the front hole is easily detectable as it's close to another small hole.
In the old part that I have, the edges of the small and large hole are 34 mm apart.
In the recently purchased BMW part, the distance between the holes is just 4 mm:

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Does anyone know the background of the difference?
Is there one part that is 'more' correct then the other?
Am I correct that these holes are for wax injection, and serve no particular other function?

I am considering to relocate the holes in the new part, as I think the 34 mm distance is the location of the holes when my car was build.
My car has recieved a new front and new fenders in the past somewhere, so I do not want to rely on the status of the extension parts that are mounted today.

The parts also differ in slightly other aspects, as noted by some of the green tapes
- new BMW part has no folding line over the square section pointing to the middle; the old part (left) does have a very light fold:

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- new bmw part has a 1*2 cm chamfer at the front corner, where the old part has a 90 degree angle (bmw part is 'missing' a 1*2 cm part?):

- Where the square section is spot welded to the long part; it forms a 1 cm wide flange with a few deep spot welds. The new BMW part has no step in the jpint'it's flat.
- new BMW part; the square section ends in a sharp point where it curves down into the engine room. the old part has a sharp point; the new BMW part is about 15 mm shorter and of slightly different contour:

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And, funny enough, the new BMW part says 'Made in Belgium"...

Herewith some pics of my parts:
 

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for reference some other pics I found online:
First pic looks to be an older part ~1990's or so, given the part number label formatting.
The left hole is close to the front; looks identical to my new part, however at the right, towards the rear of the car there is a small notch that isn't on my new part.
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This picture shows that both left and right side were made with the holes at the top positioned at 34 mm apart; unlike the new BMW part.
One also has an orange partlabel; when did bmw stop using these orange labels?
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A recent sale that you may remember:
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for reference some other pics I found online:
First pic looks to be an older part ~1990's or so, given the part number label formatting.
The left hole is close to the front; looks identical to my new part, however at the right, towards the rear of the car there is a small notch that isn't on my new part.
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This picture shows that both left and right side were made with the holes at the top positioned at 34 mm apart; unlike the new BMW part.
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A recent sale that you may remember:
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@eriknetherlands,

I’m keenly interested in your findings. Nothing to add other than those full inner fenders were from the 90’s.
 
Just another piece of the puzzle.
This original NOS replacement full left inner fender came up for sale just recently, and it also sported the front hole at (guesstimation) 34 mm from the small hole at the front.

An hypothesis seems to form: old parts are having 34 mm between the small and large front holes, newer parts (since -wild guess- the 1990's?) have the holes 4 mm apart?

See this for sale thread for more details on the fender:
https://e9coupe.com/forum/threads/nmna-nos-e9-left-inner-fender-in-germany-2500-euro.40737/


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Having the orange part number I guess this fender must be older then the set Markos sold.
 
I found another old for sale add on these parts; 2 old NOS parts, each having the holes in the front 34 mm apart.
So this seems to confirm the above post: old parts have the holes at 34 mm. Newer(post 1985/1990) parts have the front holes at 4 mm apart.

(These are 1 left and 1 right, but one is upside down in the pic)
 

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There are also two different part numbers of this part:
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One looks just like the picture, and one has a rectangular metal tab in front of the opening. If you use the one with the rectangular tab you need to trim it so it will fit under the fender.
 
Ah! I always wondered about that part.
How did our cars leave the factory; with that vertical plate or without? Perhaps build year dependent?

For definitive answers we'd need a few "first tear down" pics of factory NOS parts.
 
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After studying quite some pictures of these parts in various for sale threads I think it's safe to say:

- Parts made before 1985/1990 has the 20mm holes (for water escape / wax injection) at 34 mm from the smaller little hole on the forward section of the part.
- Parts made after that period have the 20mm hole at a few mm's from the smaller little hole on the forward section of the part.
- These parts aren't as scarce as fenders, roofs or rear panels; They can be had for ~100 euro's here, even through the dealer.

And I can't see any negative technical aspect of using the newer parts.

In the meantime I have now sourced 2 matching parts, not surprisingly with the holes at 34 mm apart which i think matches how my car left the factory.
Not that anyone would ever notice, as these holes are obscured by the 4 shorter metal angled strips that sit on top of these things.
Only a few very compulsive e9 triva absorbers (inc myself) reading this post will ever know

Erik.
 
Just another piece of the puzzle.
This original NOS replacement full left inner fender came up for sale just recently, and it also sported the front hole at (guesstimation) 34 mm from the small hole at the front.

An hypothesis seems to form: old parts are having 34 mm between the small and large front holes, newer parts (since -wild guess- the 1990's?) have the holes 4 mm apart?

See this for sale thread for more details on the fender:
https://e9coupe.com/forum/threads/nmna-nos-e9-left-inner-fender-in-germany-2500-euro.40737/


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Having the orange part number I guess this fender must be older then the set Markos sold.

@eriknetherlands,

Just seeing this now. My inner fenders were newer. The battery tray was from the e12/e23 era. Same profile bud different holes and what not.
 
to kill my own idea in post #8:

Here's a picture of a really old part (it still uses the orange labels) currently for sale on Kleinanzeigen. It has the 20mm hole in the front close (~4mm) to the edge, and not at 34 mm from the edge.

Completely opposite of my what I jotted down as a safe conclusion....
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I think (I'm not sure) that the grey parts all reproduction.
For repair parts, the plant has usal a black KTL bath, that they use for all those black parts underneath the car.

The repair parts has been send also through that bath.

Later parts, when the production has been closed from that model since a couple of years are mostly produced by supplier.


Breiti
 
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