Have the two last 3.0 CSL Batmobiles survived?

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From the last batch of CSLs produced (VIN 4355001-4355057), I think the last traced car today is 4355055 (lives in Germany?). What about the two last ones 4355056 and 4355057. Any trace of their survival?

It also looks like that some late ones are in Taiga green. At least 4355049 and 4355054 have this colour including black stripes.

Furthermore, there was a rumour that BMW also has built 4355060.

Could anyone please sort out these issues.
 
Hello,

I can't add to much information to the story, but bmw said that 4355057 (last car) color is Charmonix.

About the 4355060. At the older e9 forum there was an e9 owner (sorry, i don't remember his name) who has seen an e9 3.0 CSL with this vin number. I haven't seen picture of the vin plate.

Hopefully Yannick and Peter S. can add more information to these stories.
 
Thanks for the info. When indicating VIN 4355060 in the BMW VIN decoder, it says this VIN belongs to a 630CS built in 10/75.

On the other hand all 2275xxx CSLs are not correctly registered in the VIN decoder. Due to the BMW VIN decoder, they are BMW 528, 535, 325ix etc ...
 
Yannick said:
I would like to take this opportunity and inform the community (not only this Forum) that I made the decision to stop sharing CSL information. Too many reasons that I do not want to explain here. Please do not send private messages (CSL related) as they will remain unanswered.
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I apologize for my ignorance, but who are you, are you a CSL expert? :)

If you are, I'd encourage you to rethink your decision. CSLs are becoming specialist cars and we need to pool our knowledge about these 'babies' to support each other e.g. in those cases where someone tries to sell a fake CSL as a real CSL ... or as was the case a few month back ... an 'incorrect' Alpina.

For the record: I will gladly share all the information I have about CSLs and E9s in general. In fact I think information sharing is the key to keeping older cars running!

I am considering buying a Lancia Fulvia 'Fanalone' which is also a specialist car. I went to a Lancia BB and asked questions about how to correctly identify and verify the authenticity of such car and I got excellent feedback :D
Those people know that it is in their interest to educate other people about their cars and thereby stimulate interest for the cars. :D
 
DJSimca said:
Yannick said:
I would like to take this opportunity and inform the community (not only this Forum) that I made the decision to stop sharing CSL information. Too many reasons that I do not want to explain here. Please do not send private messages (CSL related) as they will remain unanswered.
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I apologize for my ignorance, but who are you, are you a CSL expert? :)
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Yes, he is !

Yannick and Gerrit, our "French Connection".......... :)

Sorry to hear that, Yannick........Wer ist dir auf den Schlips getreten? Send PM, if you want
 
Yannick, I respect your decision, but.... If you can educate us as to the "why", then we too, could possibly (in our own small way) protect the brand as you imply.
 
CSL 1973 said:
Thanks for the info. When indicating VIN 4355060 in the BMW VIN decoder, it says this VIN belongs to a 630CS built in 10/75.

On the other hand all 2275xxx CSLs are not correctly registered in the VIN decoder. Due to the BMW VIN decoder, they are BMW 528, 535, 325ix etc ...
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The VIN decoder (BMW's or others I have seen) only work correctly on the post 1980 17-digit VINs.
 
Yes, I think that's the case.

However, the strange thing is that the BMW VIN Decoder works fine for the 4355xxx CSLs (1974-1975).

Cheers
 
Sharing information

Sharing information - is that not the point of a Discussion forum ??

Confused and saddened by Yannick's post. " I would like to take this opportunity and inform the community (not only this Forum) that I made the decision to stop sharing CSL information. Too many reasons that I do not want to explain here. Please do not send private messages (CSL related) as they will remain unanswered. "

Spam in the extreme! Junk mail.

Why come onto a discussion forum and say " I'm not discussing?? " Why post a response at all then? To me it sounds like Yannick thinks he has all the answers ( maybe he does ) and cant be bothered with the little people, or those who are new to E9's. If he doesn't want to communicate, why bother logging on and reading?

Only, or course, my humble opinion.
 
Yannick said:
I would like to take this opportunity and inform the community (not only this Forum) that I made the decision to stop sharing CSL information. Too many reasons that I do not want to explain here. Please do not send private messages (CSL related) as they will remain unanswered.

Tought it was better and correct to let you know. That is a final decision !
Cheers,

Yannick.
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:roll:
 
bert35csi said:
There is no room on this forum for 'ALPINA CSL' elitism!

Bert
72 3.0 CSi
88 M6
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+2. Are you kidding me? The vintage Ferrari guys have less attitude. Later!
 
bert35csi said:
There is no room on this forum for 'ALPINA CSL' elitism!

Bert
72 3.0 CSi
88 M6
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Well, it sounds intersting. In past few years Yannick shared tons of CSL information which is not available in any printed source (books, magazines), also he has answered several CSL related PMs in different e9/alpina forums. So he has considered "good e9 owner who helps a lot", but when he say "sorry, i have some reason why i should stop sharing information" some people says he is elite, bad attitude, etc ?

I think it is absolutely nonsense. The same thing happened with the Alpina Gemeinschaft club, and with a CSL registry in sweden, and with several other bmw expert / bmw clubs in Europe in the past few years. History repeats itself ?

Is he said that he won't share information because he wants to keep it ? Is he said he has personal problem with the board ? I don't think so. In my opinion it is unfair to judge anyone decision without knowing what is behind that decision.

On the other hand 3.0 CSL and the tuner cars (Alpina B1, B2, B2S, B3, Schnitzer 3.0 CSL, GS Tuning 3.0 CSL, Koepchen 3.0 CSL, Heidegger 3.0 CSL) are E9 coupes too. Correct me but isn't is an E9 forum ? Who will decide that if anyone is allowed to post here ?

People should understand that the whole e9 hobby is a big "topic", it is not only about buying a cheap parts car and restoring it. Some people are interested in technical details, some people are interested in the E9 history, others are interested in the E9 race cars, or how to replace engine, etc. We are all different about our interest but there is one thing common: we like the E9 coupes. And all E9 coupes are great cars even it is a 3.0 CSi, or an ultra rare Alpina CSL.

The whole forum is about people who want to get information about any E9 related thing, and about people who want to share information or help with technical questions. And we would like to talk about any E9 related thing. If you say "you all, who knows lots of e9 information are all elite and bad people" will result that all expert will leave the forum. Less expert = less information = less fun with e9.
 
It is one's prerogative whether or not one chooses to participate or contribute on this forum in any form or manner, but it is just plain rude to come on this board and arrogantly declare that "I will no longer share CSL information and any attempts to contact me about CSL queries will be ignored" as if he is the sole authority on CSLs.

There may be legitimate and valid reasons for his actions but to do so in this manner have alienated and offended some people on this forum. It could've been handled in a more delicate manner to avoid rufflling so many feathers. It may not be his intent but this whole affair and some of his previous posts exhibit a bit of arrogance and condescension for our e9 community IMHO.

Bert
 
bert35csi said:
It is one's perogative whether or not one chooses to participate or contribute on this forum in any form or manner, but it is just plain rude to come on this board and arrogantly declared that "I will no longer share CSL
information and any attempts to contact me about CSL queries will be ignored" as if he is the sole authority on CSLs.

There may be legit and valid reasons for his actions but to do so in this manner have alienated and offended some people on this forum. It could've been handled in a more delicate manner to avoid rufflling so many feathers. It may not be his intent but this whole affair and some of previous posts exhibit a bit of arrogance and condenscension for our community IMHO.

Bert
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+2. His post was absolutely unnecessary and incredibly insulting to the other forum member who do have tons of valuable information about the E9.
 
bert35csi said:
It is one's perogative whether or not one chooses to participate or contribute on this forum in any form or manner, but it is just plain rude to come on this board and arrogantly declared that "I will no longer share CSL
information and any attempts to contact me about CSL queries will be ignored" as if he is the sole authority on CSLs.

There may be legit and valid reasons for his actions but to do so in this manner have alienated and offended some people on this forum. It could've been handled in a more delicate manner to avoid rufflling so many feathers. It may not be his intent but this whole affair and some of his previous posts exhibit a bit of arrogance and condescension for our community IMHO.

Bert
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Well said!
 
My experiences with yannick have been all negative, he is elitist, arrogant and generally a dick in my opinion. What I know of CSLs is available to all, and I have owned eight of them. There are others out there who think they're experts and have all the knowledge, but in my experience they are generally not people one would want to associate with. Shame, with the cars becoming more rare and less affordable, but that seems to be in the nature of a lot of Europeans I have tried to work with. Exceptions include Gerrit Blankman, a real gentleman and a few others. Yannick is not one of them I care to know.
 
Interesting turns in this issue. May I repeat the original questions:

From the last batch of CSLs produced (VIN 4355001-4355057), I think the last traced car today is 4355055 (lives in Germany?). What about the two last ones 4355056 and 4355057. Any trace of their survival?

It also looks like that some late ones are in Taiga green. At least 4355049 and 4355054 have this colour including black stripes.

Furthermore, there was a rumour that BMW also has built 4355060.

Could anyone please sort out these issues.

Cheers
 
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