New(ish) joiner introduction

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Hello, whilst the Coupe Forum is not new to me I am new to the community so apropos some comments in a recent thread, here is my brief introduction. Although I have viewed the forum for some time over the last two years or so, I joined last year to ask a specific question – asked and answered (partially). I fall in the category of observer rather than contributor on the premis that unless you have something useful to say, don’t say it! I don’t regard myself as an expert and whilst I have owned a 3.0 CSL for some time and worked on it periodically, I don’t have significant practical experience of all it’s “nuts and bolts”.

I live in the UK some 30 miles West of London – cold at the moment by West Coast standards but probably still above average for the Mid West and North East. I own RHD 3.0 CSL 2285272 built late 1972, first registered autumn/fall 1973; ie, middle of the batch of the 500 RHD cars produced in 1972 to early 1973 as part of the 1,000 cars required for the European touring car (lightweight) homologation. I bought the car in mid 1978 and then at only (!) five+ years old it was showing signs of a relatively hard life for what was originally an expensive car in UK context at the time. Some hard driving and the UK roads had taken their toll and to add to that it became my wife’s car for a year or so, used by her to support her job as a health visitor in the South Wales valleys – not a car friendly environment!

In the early 1980s I had the car restored, focus was on the structure/body, not the mechanicals; the result was a black car, originally Taiga green, but otherwise standard and (then) in concours condition. In the late 1980s I decided I would start to sprint the car and began to move it away from the UK specification CSL towards the German more basic specification, I also wanted more power. Many years later and a job that had me living more out of suitcases than at home plus a seemingly 28 hours required out of 24 meant the car got put to one side (I almost lost it – another story!) and it’s now back with the previous restorer being brought back to life again after the more recent neglect.

The purists won’t like the car, or me, as I have done what many others have done and moved away from originality – visually it is a standard CSL plus the “Batmobile” wing kit per the last edition cars. Mechanically the engine is now 3.3 litres, still fuel injected but not the original, 5-speed CR gearbox, manual steering, and standard (non city-pack) springs plus dampers. Plus various other associated minor changes. I’m a believer in having the car for me – one can debate purism and originality but it must be in the context of a specific car and the market place, and it’s not part of this post. I have included a couple of pictures of the car in it’s present environment, unfortunately I don’t have a photographic record of the 1980s work as despite asking for it, the restorer didn’t do it – pre digital age and probably seen then as an irritating expense!

... sorry, no pictures as Ive just discovered they must be attached via a link and I don't hold any pictures on the net, all local. If not correct, can someone please advise me or could guidance be posted as a sticky somewhere?

A comment for the administrator – it seems some 100+ new joiners joined this month, 02-05 January! Most would appear to be joins from dubious sources, not sure how they join but that is someone’s technical problem to sort out and probably already being addressed … I doubt that anyone could believe they are all bona fide owners or parties interested in E9 coupes! I tripped over this whilst looking at the member list in the context of the recent thread on restricting for sale postings to members making a minimum of 100 posts – ignoring the recent new joiners this would still have restricted posters to a small minority, academic now as the subject appears closed.
 
Since no one else has said it, welcome to the forum. Look forward to some photos of your CSL.

Everybody has their own perspective on how and why we got here. My take on the care and feeding of each individuals car is based on ownership and the right to abuse, restore, modify and hopefully to drive that comes with it.

What is interesting is that very few alterations are done to the body (other than colour changes) as opposed to the mechanicals which makes sense since the body is specific to the e9 but so many of the mechanicals ran through many years and models.
 
Hey Tim,

good to have you hear - great to hear about the car. I have 2285146 in golf yellow and she has been in the family since c.1979. My father remember going into a scrap yard to get a part for it not long after and three of them were stacked roof on roof! Imagine seeing three m6's in that state today!

I'm based in Rickmansworth which is on the M25 west of london.

My yellow csl is slightly modified as it hasn't got the heavy bumpers (airdam and replica GRP rear). It has a slightly improved engine but I hope to get rid of the power sterring this winter and to fit a six branch manifold somewhere down the line.

Be good to see some pics of your lady when you get a chance.

Regards,

Rohan
 
Hey, nothing wrong with modifying a car to me. The car is yours to do with as you will. It would probably be worth a bit more if you kept the original engine and trans, so you could return it to stock later if need be. That way you get the best of both worlds: more performance while keeping the originality for later if you want it.

I am curious as to why you went with the CR box, however. I guess you pulled the drivetrain from a 633 CSi or something akin to that?
 
Hi Tim,

welcome to the forum, it's good to meet another e9 owner around the London area.

You could host/upload photos on something like photobucket by setting up an account,

http://photobucket.com/

or if you can't be bothered to mess around with something like that, i'd be more than happy to host them on my site for you.

cheers,

James
 
Thank you all for the replies and welcome, and James, in particular your offer to upload and host pics - I'll fix myself on the basis if I need to do more later it's more sensible, so short pause while I do that.

wrt some of the comments/questions:

I don't have the original engine, trashed by the previous owner and when I got the car I was relatively ignorant of the niceties of matching numbers (shame!) and so went with the BMW dealer's offer of an exchange engine (at a price) - represented as 3.0L but recently discovered to be running an 86mm crank so actually 3.3L; block is marked 3.0/3.3. I wish I could turn the clock back.

CR gearbox - happy with the gearing in 4th on the orginal box (still have), given the planned power increase is likely to dull the torque at the bottom end I preferred to go with closer ratios rather than an OD 5th. Legitimate cruising in the UK is limited to an effective 80 MPH, versus legal limit of 70 MPH, so current gearing keeps the revs around 3,600. The box is ex 535, rebuilt with some upgraded internals.

Rohan, I suspect we all shudder at the thought of CSs or CSLs stacked for scap ... our roads and the Kharmann build were not good bed mates, my car's front wings (fenders) were perforated by 1979 and much worse elsewhere such as behind wheel arches, the cills, and forward of the rear wheel arches; ie, the well known issues. All fixed some time ago and I'm still paying off the debts! It would be good to meet up with you and James later in the year, plus any others in reach.
 
Hi Tim,

Nice to read your post. I'm Based in Shepperton, so not too far from you either. Look out for a Turkis '73 CSi with a vinyl roof on a sunny weekend and that will be me.

Slightly modified with a new replacement (3.0l engine) and new overdrive 5 speed box to make life a little less busy.

All the best

Roland
 
Roland, hi ... sometime in the summer we should try for a meet with all the "West London" people and anyone within shouting distance.

The UK BMW CC is trying to wake up the old CSL Register so perhaps more will begin to surface during the year. In the mid nineties we had "tabs" on 60%+ of the original 500 RHD cars and probably near 40% of all the LHD cars. Many will have changed owners by now, and some gone, so an uphill task to repeat.
 
I got a load of the old csl registers with a csl i purchased a while back as the owner was quite active - the car was CUP 499L number 130 I think.

Going through them is always good fun and it really was a decent little newsletter.

I tried a few years back to get it going with a note in BMW car magazine and my email address but i think i got about 5 emails!
 
Rohan, the revival of the CSL Register (ie, in the UK) will probably depend on the active interest of relatively few people. More and more of the cars have gone to ground either as scrap, core for racers as the Masters series gets more interest (economy permitting) or the very good ones with an interesting provenance for long term investment hopes. That leaves a small number being run reasonably regularly and possibly fewer by those who have an interest such expressed through this forum.

But I guess you know that! I've volunterred to support the new focal point who will raise his head above the parapet once he's got himself organised. But, big but, as it's run through and funded by the BMW CC it will only get out formally to BMW CC members; current membership £40 plus a one off £5 for a specific register membership, various benefits such as discounted parts etc plus monthly magazine. I'm not a recruiting agent but the more the merrier!
 
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