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Hi all,

This forum has already been so helpful, so thank you in advance! I'm working on a 1973 3.0CS that sat in a barn for 25 years--I typically focus on American classics and late 90's/2000's BMWs, so I figured this car would be a simple enough synthesis of those things. The owner bought it in the late 80's and just parked it because life got in the way, by all appearances it was a clean, stock-ish car that just needed some reconditioning. Things went sideways when I realized the engine bay shouldn't be painted black, and that the floors and firewall shouldn't have structural bondo. So now the engine is out, the interior is out, the wiring harness is out, floors will be out soon, and I'm learning more than I ever wanted to about these cars.

Please let me know if I should post seperate threads for these, but in the meantime, here are my opening questions:

The motor is original, on a stand for cleanup and regasketing, and appears to have been balanced and ported. Removing the rear cam cover reveals a stamped "3" and also "na 300" or "ha 300" etched in. Does this tell anyone anything about who might have rebuilt the motor, or to what specs? I'm curious because it seems like the motor was put together by somebody who knew what they were doing, and yet everything else is so slapdash. It'd be nice to have some hint that at least the motor was done right.

Question 2: should I replace the timing chain guide? I read on here about the sorry state of currently available timing chain guides, how they don't quite fit and will get ground down against the case. The chain guide that's currently in the motor is that same goofy design that doesn't fit right. Otherwise it's in fine shape with no cracking or wear. So what's the current State Of The Timing Chain Guide? Better to leave the old aftermarket one be, or replace with a new aftermarket one? I daily drive an E39 540i, so I take timing chain guides quite seriously!

Question 3: Is the distributor even halfway correct for this motor, and what's the best solution for drawing a vacuum signal? The part number on the distributor ends with "001", which according to my research is a vacuum retard distributor meant for the fuel injected cars. Does anyone know if this can possibly be correct for a car with triple Webers? Pt. 2, what's the best way to run a vacuum advance on a Weber setup? Previously the distributor ran to a single intake port, which seems like a recipe for a really erratic vacuum signal to me.

These are the burning questions, there will be more I'm sure! Again, thank you all, this forum is such a high-quality resource, better than many I've run across for other cars.
 
First, we need some pictures I realized 3/4's the way thru, that this car has triple webers, I would assume the cam is a 300 degree cam, should measure the lift on the cam Are you running a header? if so, what size ex pipes? Can you see through the ports right down to the valve, does it look like any work was done in there

Haven't done any timing chains on M30 engines for a couple of years so not sure on the timing chain tensioner rail situation

Can you get the entire Bosch number for the dist? To really know what is in there for a curve is to put it on a dist machine and measure it, it may have been altered, who knows Is your ign point style or electronic?

Thanks, Rick
 
Pictures! Of course.

Attached should be a couple "before" pictures, along with a pic of the cam, an intake valve, and distributor part number. Makes sense that .300 would be the cam degree, pretty aggressive for these motors, right? The car was setup with a set of what appear to be Stahl headers, I'll measure them tomorrow. The head looks ported based on my experience porting superchargers (many) years ago, but if the picture says otherwise I can handle it.

The ignition system was kind of odd, still points in the distributor but a "Jacobs" ignition box of some kind.

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I have the Blue Books, the BMW repair manuals for the E9 and they spec a 0 231 162 002 distributor for early E9 models, up to the 3.0CS. A foot note mentions the 002 version used to be 001, so yours is a slightly older one. I've attached the pages for the USA models which looks to be what your car is as well.
Of course as was said above, the distributor could have been recurved, so you'd need to have it tested. Mine was not providing consistent timing when I got the car, part of why the owner decided to sell, rust was a strong second reason.

Welcome to the forum.

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Wow that was confusing for a second--I'm also Ian!

Anyway, thanks, this is great! The distributor is correct for the car, got it. Not sure where I got the idea that it was wrong. I think given the scope of things I will stick with it for now, and check the curve once I have the car running again. The 123 dizzy is a pretty slick piece though, it's definitely still on the table. Any thoughts on vacuum signal for the stock setup? I'm thinking create a tee with two opposing pistons for a smoother signal, but open to suggestions.

Stock cam reground makes sense, it doesn't seem like there were a ton of aftermarket options for these motors back in the day. I'm excited to see what it can do, I had it idling for a minute before tearing into everything and it sounded great. Now that I have it on the stand I can see that the bearings are perfect, and it's really clean inside. I don't think it has had many miles since the rebuild.
 
I'd suggest reading up on the forum for the 123 distributor. It's features and adaptability are great but some forum members have had issues with oil being pushed up the shaft by the engine causing electronic failures. There isn't a consensus on the exact cause and the maker is aware of the issue as there have been claims for repair under warranty. There was an update to the M30 model we use, but I don't know if that resolved the issue.
 
Hmm, I don't like the sound of oil coming into the distributor! I'll stick with the plan of running the stock one for now, maybe I'm lucky and whoever set up the motor recurved the dizzy too. My experience with these cars that have sat tells me to get them running and at least halfway sorted, then start modifying, anyway.

Running a high idle makes sense! I got the motor running before tearing into everything and it idled pretty low, but not smoothly. I'd assumed it was gunked up valves and carburetors from sitting, now I know it could have been due to the cam, also.
 
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