NON working clock..............

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Hi all, my time clock has never worked since kieser (my E9) has been in my ownership. I don't know why, but can it be a simple fix? Can any member shed any light on why? I know it's an impossible question to ask, but you never know, there might be something I'm missing. I haven't took it apart yet, but before I fit the instruments panel I'd thought I'd ask.
 
I'm still trying to get mine out of the car as some PO must have used a rattle gun on the locating nuts :(
From memory a common cause is the lubricant gets gummy over time and sticks the mechanism.
This is a common problem on all geared clocks that aren't serviced regularly.
There's a guy that specialises in restoring them over your way. Another member on here might know his name.
 
mr bump said:
Hi all, my time clock has never worked since kieser (my E9) has been in my ownership. I don't know why, but can it be a simple fix? Can any member shed any light on why? I know it's an impossible question to ask, but you never know, there might be something I'm missing. I haven't took it apart yet, but before I fit the instruments panel I'd thought I'd ask.
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What type of clock do you have - early with white plastic back or later full metal?
1. Earth/grounding problem
2. Melted solder/unsoldered thermal protection.
3. Plastic back plate deformation - is too close to the clock mechanism gears & there is friction that cause locking (i had).
 
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Wes said:
From memory a common cause is the lubricant gets gummy over time and sticks the mechanism.
This is a common problem on all geared clocks that aren't serviced regularly.
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There are a number of things that can go wrong with automotive clocks. As Wladek asks, a lot depends on which type of clock you have - there are two general types: early mechanical and later electronic/quartz. The "melted solder/unsoldered thermal protection" problem applies to the earlier model clocks.
 
I repaired mine 2 years ago. Repair is a strong word for what I did:
I took the back off, checked the solder fuse was still in place (it was). Took a few very small nuts off to seperate the electrical bit (solenoid and wiring, plus the big bob-weight thing) from the mechanical clock, doused it all in contact cleaner, light oil on the bearings and the axle for the bob-weight.
Bolted it together and it has worked fine since

If you want to see what they look like on the inside, plenty of google piccies, usually on MB cars, or early Porsche/ VWs
 
mr bump said:
Hi all, my time clock has never worked since kieser (my E9) has been in my ownership. I don't know why, but can it be a simple fix? Can any member shed any light on why? I know it's an impossible question to ask, but you never know, there might be something I'm missing. I haven't took it apart yet, but before I fit the instruments panel I'd thought I'd ask.
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Here’s a relatively inexpensive clock and in working condition, per seller. NMNA.
https://www.ebay.de/itm/BMW-E9-2800...637895?hash=item1eef874287:g:4OAAAOSwPSRbhofQ
 
Keshav said:
Here’s a relatively inexpensive clock and in working condition, per seller.
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It must work - it has "OK" written on the side in magic marker. :)

This clock says "Kienzle" at the 6:00 position. Does that make it the earlier, mechanical type?

The one at this auction https://www.ebay.de/itm/BMW-E9-3-0-CSi-2800-CS-2-5-CS-Uhr-Ouarzuhr-uberholt/292662431425?_trkparms=aid=222007&algo=SIM.MBE&ao=2&asc=20160323102634&meid=1005e605d7e54aefb30d5bbc6a7ee615&pid=100623&rk=2&rkt=3&sd=132867637895&itm=292662431425&_trksid=p2047675.c100623.m-1 is marked "Quartz Zeit" and is priced 5X as much. I guess that one is the later quartz type, though I'm not sure this explains the price discrepancy.
 
Yes it’s the old mechanical type and in working condition, probably never taken apart where as the expensive one from coupe-Toni, NMNA, Quartz type is a top adress to have the instruments overhauled etc and that watch will look and work like new. One is a business and the other probably found it in Oma’s celler.
Check out his other parts too. All instruments....gorgeous.
 
Guy I bought Athena from had all the instruments restored by North Hollywood Speedometer back in 2008-2009. Clock was converted to quartz and keeps perfect time.

Had my 2002Tii Kienzle mechanical clock restored last year by North Hollywood, love the winding clunk. Keeps relatively good time.

Pretty sure I have an extra E9 clock in my parts stash if one's needed.
 
Use the Search function, this has been addressed many times. VW and Porsche also used the same (or very similar) clocks, and their forums have also addressed the issue of non-working clocks many times.

My experience was that the hardest part was removal from the dash. I had two clocks, and the easier one to repair had a broken solder fuse. I was not able to find a reasonable price for the low-temp solder, so I used whatever I had on hand, reasoning that if the current rose above the circuit's fuse value, the fuse would pop, hopefully saving the clock (this may not be true, it has not been tested or confirmed anywhere). Clock removal is precedes removal of other instruments, and once you've had the clock out, the glass face off and have cleaned it, the other instruments look shabby, and you have to clean them too.

Actually tied for most difficult is carefully bending the crimped chrome trim ring that holds the glass face in place. It's do-able, with patience and a butterknife (in my experience). Lots and lots of patience.

Others remove the clock and send it off for repair, upwards of $100. I did mine for zero dollars, that's me all over. It was a chore, since I am a big guy with large hands.

added: see also the "Clock Removal" thread about 15 threads down from this one.
 
Clock removal on RHD much easier access. I didn't take the glass out of mine, as I have no way of neatly recrimping the bezel
 
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