Outer sill cover and trim questions .

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Advice on whats the best outer sill cover to use as I am being offered steel or aluminum . Also how are they supposed to be fixed ( drilled and screwed ? ) Also should they be painted black or the colour of the car.
Finally is the part number of the trim or moulding that attaches to the above mentioned sill cover 5113 181 0559 and 5113 181 0556 ?
Many thanks Paul
 
The rocker panels are in three layers: a structural part, a partial cover, and then another cover. The moulding part is affixed to the outer cover. This setup can be seen here:
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=7013&mospid=47811&btnr=51_3430&hg=51&fg=20&hl=1

The outer cover (#3 in the linked diagram) rusts very frequently, so if you can get it in aluminum, go for it. It is secured via many screws to the body. All the original road coupes I have seen keep it painted black.
 
They are painted black with the stone-chip textured-rubberized coating and attached with around 7 or so screws. The plastic clips to hold the chrome/rubber moldings to them are still available-I just replaced mine.
 
Stevehose said:
They are painted black with the stone-chip textured-rubberized coating and attached with around 7 or so screws. The plastic clips to hold the chrome/rubber moldings to them are still available-I just replaced mine.
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The lower part of the front and rear valances were also painted this way when I got my coupe, albeit in the body color.
 
I think the stone guard coating was just for the rear quarter panels, under the bumper?

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x_atlas0 said:
The lower part of the front and rear valances were also painted this way when I got my coupe, albeit in the body color.
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sill covers, etc.

On some cars... yes. There was some key to where it was applied. CS, CSI, and CSL. There also was some additional key to color as some cars had black in certain locations. I did some research on this in preparation for some touch ups, I'd have to go find it again. My car has the rear and front valance done in the stoneguard which is still available by several manufacturers. I have areas that are body color applied over and those that are black.( behind the rear fenders to the valance parting line; same from the front bumper forward to the valance.)

On a minor note: alum and steel should be treated well to prevent any possibility of electrolisys. ( Ex healey owner's / restorer experience.) I know new cars do this all the time with the newer materials. I just don't recommend it since aluminum corrosion is tough to work.
 
Stevehose said:
They are painted black with the stone-chip textured-rubberized coating and attached with around 7 or so screws. The plastic clips to hold the chrome/rubber moldings to them are still available-I just replaced mine.
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i need also some help on this, my chrome/rubber moldings were damaged, so i decided to buy new ones from walloth together with the plastic clips

i painted the outer rocker cover in black following your advise, see pic
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i installed the clips, and now comes the problem, i can not fix the molding on them, it is too hard !

any advise on how to mount the molding on the clips ? options:

1- hit with a hammer
2- heat (air hot gun) + hammer
3- grease + hammer
4- ... ?

i am desperate, i am even considering to glue them !

thanks
 
It's easiest to do this with the rocker covers off the car and laying flat on a surface. With them off you will also be able to clean the dirt behind them (and on the rocker panel behind) and paint without masking.

The clips install by placing the "claws" through the holes and driving the round center of the clip from behind with a punch and hammer (supporting the panel from behind). This locks the clip onto the panel. Once all the clips are on then you take the molding and place it on top of the clips (laid out as how it will look when finished) and press them on with firm pressure - it should "click" in place over each clip.

Let me know if you need more info.


deQuincey said:
i installed the clips, and now comes the problem, i can not fix the molding on them, it is too hard !

any advise on how to mount the molding on the clips ? options:

1- hit with a hammer
2- heat (air hot gun) + hammer
3- grease + hammer
4- ... ?

i am desperate, i am even considering to glue them !

thanks
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DeQuincey,

I to was frustrated by trying to push in the new plastic clips. I gave up. I was starting to bend the cover metal around the holes. So, instead I modified SS 8 mm bolts and nuts. See photo. I cut the nuts in half to make them thinner (there is not much room between the back of the cover and the sill panel). I also, ground most of the bolt head off so it would slide into the trim track and used rubber washers with the nuts. Works great, and the trim is now easy to remove for cleaning.
 

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When I bought my coupe back in 2002, it came with various CSL aluminum parts such as the hood and trunk lid. The car also was fitted with one steel and one aluminum outer rocker panel covers. CSL experts, was the aluminum panel fitted to CSLs only? The original orange parts book only list one l/r version, which I presume is the steel unit.

Personally, I would go with the steel panels as the aluminum units are very soft and easily dentable. Believe the original panels were painted black but without a primer. If I were to refinish these again, a primer undercoat would be applied prior to the textured black topcoat.
 
deQuincey,

Could you please post a pic of the clips? I have totally forgotten how they looked and how I fitted them. Just recalled it took a while to get them installed. After fidgeted with them quite some time, then finally figured out a way to snap them in pretty easily. It has been about 8 years ago since I removed and installed these.
 
Stevehose said:
It's easiest to do this with the rocker covers off the car and laying flat on a surface.

this is my first problem, my rocker covers had been riveted, glued, and i don´t know how many other ways of torture, to the car, so i can not even think about removing them

The clips install by placing the "claws" through the holes and driving the round center of the clip from behind with a punch and hammer (supporting the panel from behind). This locks the clip onto the panel.

i have already done this, i have all the clips in place
but of course i can not support the cover from behind now

Once all the clips are on then you take the molding and place it on top of the clips (laid out as how it will look when finished) and press them on with firm pressure - it should "click" in place over each clip.

did you find the force needed to press very high ? i am afraid of inducing a deformation on the moldings

i think i will try only heated air, because i feel that if i add grease they could easily go in, but as easily the could get out !

Let me know if you need more info.
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regards
 
Here is a top and side view. The side shows the post that is driven through which spreads out the claw and fastens it to the metal. The top has edges that the molding attaches to when pressed on.

bert35csi said:
deQuincey,

Could you please post a pic of the clips? I have totally forgotten how they looked and how I fitted them. Just recalled it took a while to get them installed. After fidgeted with them quite some time, then finally figured out a way to snap them in pretty easily. It has been about 8 years ago since I removed and installed these.
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Not to much force was needed, the rocker cover may flex a little before the molding snaps on. I used my fingers to press, nothing more than that so I don't think you will harm either piece. Here is another thread from when I did this a while ago:

http://www.e9coupe.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7540

I think there are other threads you may search for.

deQuincey said:
did you find the force needed to press very high ? i am afraid of inducing a deformation on the moldings
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Additional suggestion to those already covered

The outer rocker covers I have seen seem to always rust from within--due trapping silt behind and converting to mud pack when wet.

So--if you are in the process of replacing same--suggest that you treat the back of your covers with an effective rust barrier type coating--such as POR-15 or Zero Rust--especially if you will be driving in wet conditions. And remember--avoid putting a stream of water over the top of your Coupe--for the same good reason.
 
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