Owner’s Manual Observations

[Markos]

This is for a 2800 CS but feel free to chime in with CS or CSL observations.

Germany: 07/69

USA: 11/70

Italy: 12/70

Car in question is 200001, with a Karman tag of 003.

What is this cool and well executed integrated shift/center console? French stitch also...

All toolkit images are reversed. I was informed of this by @eriknetherlands:

Karman tag photo is upside down on the Italian manual.

All manuals have no cover plate on the heater box:

 

[HB Chris]

That’s a ZF auto shifter. No firewall pad either. Toolkit foam tray totally different positions of tools, not just flipped.

 

[Markos]

That’s a ZF auto shifter. No firewall pad either. Toolkit foam tray totally different positions of tools, not just flipped.

Good eye! Is that an early tool tray then? I have never seen the ZF auto console. Very cool.

 

[HB Chris]

I don’t know if that style of tray was ever produced.

 

[adawil2002]

Look like 2000CS photos

 

[HB Chris]

Except it is an m30 from the carb and air cleaner.

 

[bluecoupe30!]

Above photos actually show the shifter from a BW65 automatic. The ZF automatic shifter looks like this :

 

[HB Chris]

The ZF is the straight one, your pic shows a BW.

 

[rsporsche]

thanks Chris, that's what i thought ... and was looking through a bunch of pictures trying to find out ... so you saved me some time

 

[bluecoupe30!]

My CSA has the BW65 and is equipped with the thin wood shift knob as above. It was my understanding the ZF boxes had the T-shape shifter. I have been under there, a time or two, and tag says BW65. I am not sure the shifters are interchangeable, but would love to know.

 

[HB Chris]

They are not interchangeable unfortunately. BW installed beginning at 2250188.

 

[bluecoupe30!]

OK, not interchangeable, my car has the thin wood shift knob, the transmission ID tag says BW65. I must assume the BW is the one in the photo above. If this is a ZF, how can I confirm this? I have just ordered a BW65 pan gasket from BMW.

 

[Mot27cars]

OK, not interchangeable, my car has the thin wood shift knob, the transmission ID tag says BW65. I must assume the BW is the one in the photo above. If this is a ZF, how can I confirm this? I have just ordered a BW65 pan gasket from BMW.

Does this help at all?

 

[Mot27cars]

Does this help at all?

BW dipstick on passenger side
ZF dipstick on driver side

Wich kind of transmission oil for automatic gearbox ?

hi everyone, i need to change fluid of my automatic transmission and i would like to know which kind of oil i need to buy to replace it ? thanks

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[Markos]

They are not interchangeable unfortunately. BW installed beginning at 2250188.

Great spinoff discussion. Gosh I love this stuff!

I’m not sure how that CS timeline goes with the 2800 CSA. The car below is 43 chassis into the CSA US production run. Not surprising, it has the wooden knob on a ZF transmission. So you can’t swap the lever. Can you swap the knob? Did the ZF require a button push or knob depress to move the lever?

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[bluecoupe30!]

I think what is confusing here is that in books, both automatics are called ZF. One is the ZF BW 65, the other is ZF 3 HP 22. But the ID tag on the BW65 unit just says BW on it. The ZF model with the T-handle I believe is the 3HP22 model and does have a button on the left of the T that needs to be pushed in to move the selector.

 

[HB Chris]

You mean the ZF BW has the T. Maybe linkage is transferable, I would think linkage rod would have to modified at the very least.

 

[HB Chris]

The 2002 uses the 3hp22, has a T handle and dipstick is on passenger side. Same trans in my e12 with T and dipstick on driver side!

2800CS has the 3hp20, maybe that is the difference?

 

[bluecoupe30!]

Yes perhaps that is it. I have pics of each shifter. You will notice the part number for the "carrier" is the same, but I looked up the shift lever, different part number, but look at the photo. They look the same to me. Time for a bit of history. Back in the '60's, ZF was very successful manufacturing automatic transmissions and in fact so successful, they needed to share capacity with another supplier. In 1970, ZF entered into an agreement with Borg Warner to make and supply more transmissions to help them meet demand. However late in 1971, BW pulled out. ZF bought what was left of the shared short lived operation, and it is at this point, in my opinion, some of the stock of Borg Warner 65 transmissions were linked to ZF, and sent to BMW, though these were never really built by them. Remember these same units were being used in Jaguar XJ6s and other cars, and this is always referred to as a BW65 or 66 'box. Never ZF. So this may explain why there is only a Borg Warner ID tag on the left side of these units.