simoniko
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I am curios about your opinion about these two cars ! I am not questioning our beloved E9 , just a friendly comparison between these both beauties (if you agree)!
Porsche 911 from the 70's VS BMW E9 from the 70's
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I am told that people who were looking at 911's also looked at:
the BMW E9
the MB 260SL
Ferrari Dino
Thay are all very different from one another :roll:
the BMW E9
the MB 260SL
Ferrari Dino
Thay are all very different from one another :roll:
simoniko
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For sure
For sure they are completely different all sides ! I think E9 has better acceleration (i am not quite sure about that), better comfort , smoother driving , better interior , the only thing i like may be more about the 911 is the outside shape ! I dont like MB, there is a lack of agressive behaviour and sport character of the car ! the porsche is totaly different car , if you look at the engine , the chassys , but it is aknowledged as one of the best sports cars ever ! AIR cooled engine VS liquid cooled , Flat VS straight engine , front VS back compartment engine , aerodynamics shape ! I am just saying that they both cant be compared , you cant choose , you MUST own BOTH ! I am curious what guys who drove both would say ?!
For sure they are completely different all sides ! I think E9 has better acceleration (i am not quite sure about that), better comfort , smoother driving , better interior , the only thing i like may be more about the 911 is the outside shape ! I dont like MB, there is a lack of agressive behaviour and sport character of the car ! the porsche is totaly different car , if you look at the engine , the chassys , but it is aknowledged as one of the best sports cars ever ! AIR cooled engine VS liquid cooled , Flat VS straight engine , front VS back compartment engine , aerodynamics shape ! I am just saying that they both cant be compared , you cant choose , you MUST own BOTH ! I am curious what guys who drove both would say ?!
abe3.0CSi
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Okay, here it goes...
I have owned or own a MB 68 280SL, and 83 Porsche 911 3.0SC...now lets compare:
MB 280SL wt2998 hp168 0-60 9+sec top speed 121mph
car is a wonderful looking car with chrome in and out, well built and
solid. Its a little tank...not a great performer and never known for
big race winner. Very comfortable in front...no rear.
It originally had a 230, 250, finally the 280 engine till 71 when the
Pagoda body style W113 was replaced
PORSCHE 911 wt2370-2450, hp 160-190, 0-60 6-7sec, top speed 140's
Porsche in the early to late 70s had 2.2, 2.7, 3.0L engines and with
different configurations T, E, S models giving different performances.
It also had the Turbo which showed markedly better performance.
It handled like a sports car...no sway, low to the ground and has
a good racing history. IMHO it is the best sports car out of the three.
Not known for luxury nor comfort...but know for PERFOMANCE.
Light wt car with great performance. No comparison
BMW 3.0 CS/CSI wt3029, hp180-200,0-60 7.5-8+sec,topspeed 131-139
You know the car...its a sports coupe. Its heavy, big, and frankly has
an identity crisis. Not good enough to compete with the Porsches and
less luxurious than the MB Coupe 3.5. You can always argue it had
the CSL...but Porsche also had the TURBO....all more available and
better performer.
I know I left out alot of info..but the rest of you guys can look it up.
IMHO,
abe
I have owned or own a MB 68 280SL, and 83 Porsche 911 3.0SC...now lets compare:
MB 280SL wt2998 hp168 0-60 9+sec top speed 121mph
car is a wonderful looking car with chrome in and out, well built and
solid. Its a little tank...not a great performer and never known for
big race winner. Very comfortable in front...no rear.
It originally had a 230, 250, finally the 280 engine till 71 when the
Pagoda body style W113 was replaced
PORSCHE 911 wt2370-2450, hp 160-190, 0-60 6-7sec, top speed 140's
Porsche in the early to late 70s had 2.2, 2.7, 3.0L engines and with
different configurations T, E, S models giving different performances.
It also had the Turbo which showed markedly better performance.
It handled like a sports car...no sway, low to the ground and has
a good racing history. IMHO it is the best sports car out of the three.
Not known for luxury nor comfort...but know for PERFOMANCE.
Light wt car with great performance. No comparison
BMW 3.0 CS/CSI wt3029, hp180-200,0-60 7.5-8+sec,topspeed 131-139
You know the car...its a sports coupe. Its heavy, big, and frankly has
an identity crisis. Not good enough to compete with the Porsches and
less luxurious than the MB Coupe 3.5. You can always argue it had
the CSL...but Porsche also had the TURBO....all more available and
better performer.
I know I left out alot of info..but the rest of you guys can look it up.
IMHO,
abe
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911's from the '70's vary quite a bit. The '67-'73 911S is a special car, from 160-190HP and about 2100-2300 pounds. The early ones are carbed, the later ones have Bosch mechanical fuel injection and individual throttle bodies.
'74 and later 911S's were a bit of a let down, due to emissions and safety regulations.
I had a '71 2.2S motor in my '71T for a while. It was a nice docile engine till 5K, then it took off all the way to 7300 rpm. The sound was amazing. 0-60 was just under 7 seconds back in the day.
The 911T's were more common and drive more like an E9. Good performance but not overtly aggressive.
Even in the early '70's the 911's had sizeable vented disc brakes all around, and the suspension is pretty sophisticated. Front ride height is adjustable with an 11mm wrench, and front toe, camber and caster are adjustable, as is rear camber and toe. With a simple upgrade to the rear you can change the ride height and corner weight the car.
There are also some neat details. Front wheel hubs are aluminum...very light for what they do. Lug nuts are aluminum. Engine block and trans case are magnesium. Some throttle bodies are magnesium, others are plastic. Lots of thought went into making the car light.
No power steering, no power brakes, you don't need them.
Dashboard? Not really. Those 5 holes are part of the unibody and the gauges just slide in with rubber rings. A padded cover on top and that's it.
Anyway, I am biased. They are really neat cars.
'74 and later 911S's were a bit of a let down, due to emissions and safety regulations.
I had a '71 2.2S motor in my '71T for a while. It was a nice docile engine till 5K, then it took off all the way to 7300 rpm. The sound was amazing. 0-60 was just under 7 seconds back in the day.
The 911T's were more common and drive more like an E9. Good performance but not overtly aggressive.
Even in the early '70's the 911's had sizeable vented disc brakes all around, and the suspension is pretty sophisticated. Front ride height is adjustable with an 11mm wrench, and front toe, camber and caster are adjustable, as is rear camber and toe. With a simple upgrade to the rear you can change the ride height and corner weight the car.
There are also some neat details. Front wheel hubs are aluminum...very light for what they do. Lug nuts are aluminum. Engine block and trans case are magnesium. Some throttle bodies are magnesium, others are plastic. Lots of thought went into making the car light.
No power steering, no power brakes, you don't need them.
Dashboard? Not really. Those 5 holes are part of the unibody and the gauges just slide in with rubber rings. A padded cover on top and that's it.
Anyway, I am biased. They are really neat cars.
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I had a 72 911T in the late 70s and only sold it because of financial reasons. It was much faster than the US spec E9s I have had. It was also a fair amount smaller and handled more agressively, at least up to a point.
I don't really see them as very comparable, although they did cost about the same in the early 70s - around $10,000.
I don't really see them as very comparable, although they did cost about the same in the early 70s - around $10,000.
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simoniko said:
If you can find a comprehensive library with 1970's magazines from US, UK, FR, D and It, there were many articles comparing the two marques. I'll bet a few collectors probably have many examples in their closets, basements or attics. One or two of the articles might even be found in the compilation pictured below.
I think I have seen comparisons between Citroen and the E9 and was it a Fiat Dino or JagXJ6 or S?
Comparing the 911 with the E9 strikes me as being an unmeasurable fantasy. The weight and size differences speak for themselves and Porsche pushed the racing envelope further, faster and earlier than BMW. I think I have seen more comparisons between the 02 and the 911 and add to the mix the Jensen Healey, TR6, MGC, Fiat 124 Spyder, Alfa Spyder. These might be more apt comparisons, but what do I know?
In racing trim, the cars are far different than the models most of us drive in heavy traffic. It is ironic that we tend to spend so much time sitting in traffic and yet the tests always contemplate the speed and handling characteristics so rarely enjoyed because of that same traffic. A few E9's may have seats from a 911 and of course many of the cars share the same Blaupunkt or Becker sound system :wink:
Check it out:
I have a CSL and an '88 3.2 carrera so can do a comparison of sorts I guess.
The CSL is much more fun to drive as you can get the back end out quite easily due to the urgency it has at low revs. The 911 by comparison doesn't seem to get going till 4000 rpm so its difficult to throw about or have any kind of fun with at lower speeds/revs.
There is 15 years difference in age between the two I have so its not surprising the 911 feels a lot tighter, certainly the gearbox. But I find the braking on the CSL is better, which is surprising. And my god, how heavy is the steering on a 911? After the PAS on the BMW you sure notice that in a big way.
I guess the 911 is quicker, but by not as much as I would have thought. The CSL feels as quick, maybe quicker at lower revs, but at greater speeds, motorways etc the 911 wins.
From an ownership point of view, Ive spent more on the 911 in the last 2 years than I have on the CSL in 5 :-( . Both seem to be mechanically sound but have rust problems, even though the Porsche is galvanised. You can certainly notice the difference in parts prices.
Owned the CSL for 7 years and still totally in love with it. The porker is an icon and a nice car, but I dont feel anywhere near the same attachment to it. And in the wet/snow the 911 can spring a few surprises on you, which Ive never found in the CSL.
Both comfortable but hard to get out of! Both nice to drive, but Ive yet to have someone wave or smile at me, or stop and chat in the 911, something that in the CSL happens regularly. The only attention I get in the Porsche unfortunately seems to be off unmarked police cars, but thats another story.
The CSL is much more fun to drive as you can get the back end out quite easily due to the urgency it has at low revs. The 911 by comparison doesn't seem to get going till 4000 rpm so its difficult to throw about or have any kind of fun with at lower speeds/revs.
There is 15 years difference in age between the two I have so its not surprising the 911 feels a lot tighter, certainly the gearbox. But I find the braking on the CSL is better, which is surprising. And my god, how heavy is the steering on a 911? After the PAS on the BMW you sure notice that in a big way.
I guess the 911 is quicker, but by not as much as I would have thought. The CSL feels as quick, maybe quicker at lower revs, but at greater speeds, motorways etc the 911 wins.
From an ownership point of view, Ive spent more on the 911 in the last 2 years than I have on the CSL in 5 :-( . Both seem to be mechanically sound but have rust problems, even though the Porsche is galvanised. You can certainly notice the difference in parts prices.
Owned the CSL for 7 years and still totally in love with it. The porker is an icon and a nice car, but I dont feel anywhere near the same attachment to it. And in the wet/snow the 911 can spring a few surprises on you, which Ive never found in the CSL.
Both comfortable but hard to get out of! Both nice to drive, but Ive yet to have someone wave or smile at me, or stop and chat in the 911, something that in the CSL happens regularly. The only attention I get in the Porsche unfortunately seems to be off unmarked police cars, but thats another story.
hdavis
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I have a 68 911 S and a 72 CSi, 2 very different cars. I know this is not a CSL but here's my 2 cents.
The 68 is faster, by quite a bit, corners way better and sounds glorious, but it's an unfomfortable car, stiff suspension, small cockpit. It is also a much simpler car mechanically. I couldn't use my 911 every day without going nuts.
The 72 is a much more comfortable car that I can use every day, without ending with a sore butt, the air conditioning works great (vs the no air conditioned Porsche), and it's much more civilized in every aspect, much more like a modern car than the 911.
Bottom line for me, the 911 is MUCH more fun and if I had to choose only one.........it would be the 911 (please don't burn me alive!)
The 68 is faster, by quite a bit, corners way better and sounds glorious, but it's an unfomfortable car, stiff suspension, small cockpit. It is also a much simpler car mechanically. I couldn't use my 911 every day without going nuts.
The 72 is a much more comfortable car that I can use every day, without ending with a sore butt, the air conditioning works great (vs the no air conditioned Porsche), and it's much more civilized in every aspect, much more like a modern car than the 911.
Bottom line for me, the 911 is MUCH more fun and if I had to choose only one.........it would be the 911 (please don't burn me alive!)
86 635csi vs 90 911 C2 vs 74 3.0 cs vs 84 alfa gtv
I am taking delivery of my cs next week. I have had all the above and look forward to the comparison.
Stay tuned
Scott
I am taking delivery of my cs next week. I have had all the above and look forward to the comparison.
Stay tuned
Scott
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1973 911S,3.0CS,246GTS (DINO) 280SL I own ALL of them
I have owned my 1973 Porsche 911S and my 1973 Ferrari Dino Spyder (246GTS) for over 30 years and my 1971 280SL for 10 years. I owned a 2800CS back in the late 1970s and just recently got back into E9s (2800CS/3.0CS).... I also owned and raced a 1965 427 Cobra for 15 years and owned several V12 Ferraris.... I have had hands on experience with almost all of the 1970s cars and know them very well including numerous Muscle Cars (Chevelle 454 Convert, Cuda Convert, Hurst Olds Convert etc).
I can tell you from my personal experience both driving and full on racing the Porsches and the Ferraris that they are ABSOLUTELY NOTHING like the E9 BMWs!
The 1973 911S is a true drivers car that is very firm but not harsh (the earlier 911s have a shorter wheelbase and are a bit harsh). The Porsche does everything PERFECTLY! It accelerates very quickly,handles AMAZING and will stop on a dime! Even a Targa with only firmer torsion bars and shocks is race track ready and will beat just about every other car with little effort and then can be driven directly off the track to get the girl friend and take her the market for groceries (been there done that)....
There is only one thing that can be said about the 246GTS Dino Spyder... is that it is A FERRARI!! The Porsche is amazing in every way but a FERRARI is even BETTER!!! The Porsche with a skilled driver can be pushed to the limit while racing but in a Ferrari your Grandmother is instantly a great driver! Looks, Sounds, Performance again in a word ... FERRARI!..:mrgreen:
The Mercedes 280SL does nothing well... It is not fast nor does it handle that well, but it was not designed to. The car is a luxury cruiser... You want a fast MB from the period you need to drive a 300SEL 6.3!
The E9 BMWs are like the MBs they were designed to be a luxury cruiser... I know that they can be modified to be VERY fast and I have never driven a CSL or a BAT (a race car) but the post was asking/ talking about stock period cars.
I have owned my 1973 Porsche 911S and my 1973 Ferrari Dino Spyder (246GTS) for over 30 years and my 1971 280SL for 10 years. I owned a 2800CS back in the late 1970s and just recently got back into E9s (2800CS/3.0CS).... I also owned and raced a 1965 427 Cobra for 15 years and owned several V12 Ferraris.... I have had hands on experience with almost all of the 1970s cars and know them very well including numerous Muscle Cars (Chevelle 454 Convert, Cuda Convert, Hurst Olds Convert etc).
I can tell you from my personal experience both driving and full on racing the Porsches and the Ferraris that they are ABSOLUTELY NOTHING like the E9 BMWs!
The 1973 911S is a true drivers car that is very firm but not harsh (the earlier 911s have a shorter wheelbase and are a bit harsh). The Porsche does everything PERFECTLY! It accelerates very quickly,handles AMAZING and will stop on a dime! Even a Targa with only firmer torsion bars and shocks is race track ready and will beat just about every other car with little effort and then can be driven directly off the track to get the girl friend and take her the market for groceries (been there done that)....
There is only one thing that can be said about the 246GTS Dino Spyder... is that it is A FERRARI!! The Porsche is amazing in every way but a FERRARI is even BETTER!!! The Porsche with a skilled driver can be pushed to the limit while racing but in a Ferrari your Grandmother is instantly a great driver! Looks, Sounds, Performance again in a word ... FERRARI!..:mrgreen:
The Mercedes 280SL does nothing well... It is not fast nor does it handle that well, but it was not designed to. The car is a luxury cruiser... You want a fast MB from the period you need to drive a 300SEL 6.3!
The E9 BMWs are like the MBs they were designed to be a luxury cruiser... I know that they can be modified to be VERY fast and I have never driven a CSL or a BAT (a race car) but the post was asking/ talking about stock period cars.
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Execmalibu: I am so envious of your collection...sweet cars every one.
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Here are some other scans, not Porsche but Capri:
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You want to know about old Jags? First EVERYTHING they say about JAGS is 100% true!
True story...
Back in the mid 1990s I had owned my 1966 Jaguar E-type Roadster (4.2 liter ) for about a week. The car was totally restored and absolutely gorgeous!
One beautiful summer day I was flying on Malibu Canyon Road wind in my hair and I thought to myself.... "Everything they say about old Jags is not true... This car runs GREAT!" Just as the thought is leaving my mind the car started missing and immediately lost power and the engine DIED!!!
It was like a scene out of a movie or divine intervention... God was punishing me for abandoning German and Italian cars for an English job...
I coasted to the side of the road and then cranked the engine continually but it would not start...
Being very mechanically inclined I checked everything I could think of with the minimal tools that I had. The car had spark and fuel but would not run... The part that really PISSED me off was that I was in a dead cell phone area and had to walk over a mile in the hot sun... Grumble "Fuking pile of sh!t Jag leaves me walking... grumble:cry:..."
I had the car towed back to the house and did not look at the car for over a month... I finally decided to fix the car... I got into the car and turned the key, pushed the starter button and it fired right up!... The problem never happened again.
I also had a Jag V-12 with a very similar exprience... English cars!
True story...
Back in the mid 1990s I had owned my 1966 Jaguar E-type Roadster (4.2 liter ) for about a week. The car was totally restored and absolutely gorgeous!
One beautiful summer day I was flying on Malibu Canyon Road wind in my hair and I thought to myself.... "Everything they say about old Jags is not true... This car runs GREAT!" Just as the thought is leaving my mind the car started missing and immediately lost power and the engine DIED!!!
It was like a scene out of a movie or divine intervention... God was punishing me for abandoning German and Italian cars for an English job...
I coasted to the side of the road and then cranked the engine continually but it would not start...
Being very mechanically inclined I checked everything I could think of with the minimal tools that I had. The car had spark and fuel but would not run... The part that really PISSED me off was that I was in a dead cell phone area and had to walk over a mile in the hot sun... Grumble "Fuking pile of sh!t Jag leaves me walking... grumble:cry:..."
I had the car towed back to the house and did not look at the car for over a month... I finally decided to fix the car... I got into the car and turned the key, pushed the starter button and it fired right up!... The problem never happened again.
I also had a Jag V-12 with a very similar exprience... English cars!
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Love the BulTaco
I had a 62 E Type with 26k original miles. Original owners manual, maintenence coupons, case, and maintainance poster. Couldn't fit in it, being 6'5" I looked over the windscreen. It was given to me as a wedding present (long story as to how that came to be) . Loved the looks and the engine sound but it just didn't "fit" in several ways so I sold it because my heart wasn't in it. Never had it long enough to experience Prince of Darkness issues (had plenty of those in my Triumph).
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Lucas the Prince of Darkness
Duplicate of the Lucas Wiring Harness smoke Ebay Item. This was a classic auction, Ive duplicated it here as it will disappear from ebay after a while.
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Have you inadvertantly let the smoke out of the wires on your classic British car? This, then, is the solution to your problem!
Here is presented for your perusal one Lucas Replacement Wiring Harness Smoke kit, P/N 530433, along with the very rare Churchill Tool 18G548BS adapter tube and metering valve. These kits were supplied surreptitiously to Lucas factory technicians as a trouble-shooting and repair aid for the rectification of chronic electrical problems on a plethora of British cars. The smoke is metered, through the fuse box, into the circuit which has released it's original smoke until the leak is located and repaired. The affected circuit is then rectified and the replacement smoke re-introduced. An advantage over the cheap repro smoke kits currently available is the exceptionally rare Churchill metering valve and fuse box adapter. It enables the intrepid and highly skilled British Car Technician to meter the precise amount of genuine Lucas smoke required by the circuit.
Unlike the cheap, far-eastern replacement DIYsmoke offered by the "usual suppliers", this kit includes a filter to ensure that all the smoke is of consistent size, It has been our experience in our shop that the reproduction Tiawanese smoke is often "lumpy", which will cause excessive resistance in our finely-engineered British harnesses and components. This is often the cause of failure in the repro electrical parts currently available, causing much consternation and misplaced cursing of the big three suppliers.
These kits have long been the secret weapon of the "Ultimate Authorities" in the trade, and this may be the last one available. Be forewarned, though, that it is not applicable to any British vehicle built after the discontinuing of bullet connectors, so you Range Rover types are still on your own...
This Genuine Factory Authorised kit contains enough smoke to recharge the entire window circuit on a 420 Jaguar, and my dear friend and advisor George Wolf of British Auto Specialty assures me that he can replace ALL the smoke in a W&F Barrett All-Weather Invalid Car(147 CC) with enough left over to test a whole box of Wind-Tone horns for escaped smoke. How much more of an endorsement do you need?
More, you say? Well, I once let the smoke out of the overdrive wiring on my friend Roger Hankey's TR3B, and was able to drive over 200 miles home from The Roadster Factory Summer Party by carefully introducing smoke into the failed circuit WITHOUT even properly repairing the leak. Another friend, Richard Stephenson, was able to repair the cooling fan circuit of his Series 1 E-type by merely replacing a fuse and injecting a small quantity of smoke back into the wires. So there!
So, if you're troubled by lost smoke, bid early and bid often! Thanks for looking!
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Q:I have a fourteen year old son named Lucas who I have caught several times in the back of the garage smoking. Can this item help him to respect a little firm parental intervention and aid him in smoking less...or even stopping altogether?Jun-09-05
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art of the problem may be the fact that you named your son after the Prince Of Darkness. Mayhaps you should be happy that all you have caught him doing in the back of the garage is smoking! My suggestion is: since you already have spoiled him for life with his moniker, you search the 'Bay for a proper Little British Car to restore as a father-and-son project. That way, he'll have a way to fill the idle hours he'd have spent chasing girls had he been named Rocky or something more suitable. Plus, he'll learn first-handed how disgusting smoke can be. Alas, though, not with this unit, because whilst trying to photograph it for a spread in "Popular Ether Technology", it was unfortunately broken. Therefore, the auction must be terminated early. Thanks for the heartwarming interest!
Q:Once I have re-introduced smoke into my TR-2, do you warranty that it's system will resume operating at the speed of dark?Jun-09-05
A:If you reintroduce the smoke through a microwave oven, you may even go back in time!
Q:I have been very diligent over the years and have maintained the smoke in my Sunbeam's wires perfectly. The problem is that that special Lucas perfume has disappeared from the dash, carpets and seats. In fact, at the last Concours d'Elegance I lost out to a frogeye with period odors. Is the smoke in your kit fresh enough to bring back the OEM smells of burning plastic and bakelite and are you including an adapter to replace same.Jun-09-05
A:No adapter needed, but have you tried just STARTING that overrestored trailer queen? It might bring back the aroma by itself.
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- Not many people know that Land Rovers attempted to market a computer. Why did they stop? They could not find a way to get it to leak oil!
- A Land Rover doesn´t leak oil, it marks it´s territory. Did you hear about the man whose Land Rover didn't leak oil? The factory took it backand worked on it until it did.
- Did you hear the one about the guy that peeked into a Land Rover and asked the owner "How can you tell one switch from another at night? They all look the same. " - "He replied, "It does not matter which one you use, nothing happens !"
- The Lucas motto: "Get home before dark."
- Lucas is the patent holder for the short circuit.
- Lucas - Inventor of the first intermittent wiper.
- Lucas - Inventor of the self-dimming headlamp.
- The three position Lucas switch - Dim, Flicker and Off.
- The Original Anti-Theft Device - Lucas Electrics.
- >Lucas is an acronym for Loose Unsoldered Connections and Splices
- Lucas systems actually uses AC current; it just has a random frequency.
- "I have had a Lucas pacemaker for years and have never had any trou..."
- If Lucas made guns, wars would not start.
- A friend of mine told everybody he never had any electric problems with his Lucas equipment. Today he lives in the countryside, in a large manor with lots of friendly servants around him an an occasional ice cold shower...
- Back in the 70's, Lucas decided to diversify its product line and began manufacturing vacuum cleaners. It was the only product they offered which did not suck.
- Q: Why do the British drink warm beer? A: Because Lucas makes their refrigerators
- Alexander Graham Bell invented the Telephone.Thomas Edison invented the Light Bulb. Joseph Lucas invented the Short Circuit.
- Recommended procedure before taking on a repair of Lucas equipment: Check the position of the stars,kill a chicken and walk three times clockwise around your car chanting:" Oh mighty Prince of Darkness protect your unworthy servant.."
Duplicate of the Lucas Wiring Harness smoke Ebay Item. This was a classic auction, Ive duplicated it here as it will disappear from ebay after a while.
Have you inadvertantly let the smoke out of the wires on your classic British car? This, then, is the solution to your problem!
Here is presented for your perusal one Lucas Replacement Wiring Harness Smoke kit, P/N 530433, along with the very rare Churchill Tool 18G548BS adapter tube and metering valve. These kits were supplied surreptitiously to Lucas factory technicians as a trouble-shooting and repair aid for the rectification of chronic electrical problems on a plethora of British cars. The smoke is metered, through the fuse box, into the circuit which has released it's original smoke until the leak is located and repaired. The affected circuit is then rectified and the replacement smoke re-introduced. An advantage over the cheap repro smoke kits currently available is the exceptionally rare Churchill metering valve and fuse box adapter. It enables the intrepid and highly skilled British Car Technician to meter the precise amount of genuine Lucas smoke required by the circuit.
Unlike the cheap, far-eastern replacement DIYsmoke offered by the "usual suppliers", this kit includes a filter to ensure that all the smoke is of consistent size, It has been our experience in our shop that the reproduction Tiawanese smoke is often "lumpy", which will cause excessive resistance in our finely-engineered British harnesses and components. This is often the cause of failure in the repro electrical parts currently available, causing much consternation and misplaced cursing of the big three suppliers.
These kits have long been the secret weapon of the "Ultimate Authorities" in the trade, and this may be the last one available. Be forewarned, though, that it is not applicable to any British vehicle built after the discontinuing of bullet connectors, so you Range Rover types are still on your own...
This Genuine Factory Authorised kit contains enough smoke to recharge the entire window circuit on a 420 Jaguar, and my dear friend and advisor George Wolf of British Auto Specialty assures me that he can replace ALL the smoke in a W&F Barrett All-Weather Invalid Car(147 CC) with enough left over to test a whole box of Wind-Tone horns for escaped smoke. How much more of an endorsement do you need?
More, you say? Well, I once let the smoke out of the overdrive wiring on my friend Roger Hankey's TR3B, and was able to drive over 200 miles home from The Roadster Factory Summer Party by carefully introducing smoke into the failed circuit WITHOUT even properly repairing the leak. Another friend, Richard Stephenson, was able to repair the cooling fan circuit of his Series 1 E-type by merely replacing a fuse and injecting a small quantity of smoke back into the wires. So there!
So, if you're troubled by lost smoke, bid early and bid often! Thanks for looking!
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art of the problem may be the fact that you named your son after the Prince Of Darkness. Mayhaps you should be happy that all you have caught him doing in the back of the garage is smoking! My suggestion is: since you already have spoiled him for life with his moniker, you search the 'Bay for a proper Little British Car to restore as a father-and-son project. That way, he'll have a way to fill the idle hours he'd have spent chasing girls had he been named Rocky or something more suitable. Plus, he'll learn first-handed how disgusting smoke can be. Alas, though, not with this unit, because whilst trying to photograph it for a spread in "Popular Ether Technology", it was unfortunately broken. Therefore, the auction must be terminated early. Thanks for the heartwarming interest!
Q:I have been very diligent over the years and have maintained the smoke in my Sunbeam's wires perfectly. The problem is that that special Lucas perfume has disappeared from the dash, carpets and seats. In fact, at the last Concours d'Elegance I lost out to a frogeye with period odors. Is the smoke in your kit fresh enough to bring back the OEM smells of burning plastic and bakelite and are you including an adapter to replace same.Jun-09-05
A:No adapter needed, but have you tried just STARTING that overrestored trailer queen? It might bring back the aroma by itself.