Roundel X5 article by Michael Bird - it’s a rant

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Apologies in advance, but if this Roundel article wasn’t written as satire, then i think it was in very poor taste and suggests Michael Bird to be the type of BMW driver that lends truth to the common attitude that BMW drivers are A-Holes.

I read the article because I. Am an X5 owner and intend to be so for a long time, and did. It find humor in his inability to understand why anyone would want some utility combined with a nice luxury DD. Not everyone has a 6-car garage where every car is a vehicle optimized for a single purpose.

But let me me first start with his comments on his driving style.
frontal collision warning…. scares the bejesus out of me
He laments that you can’t permanently shut it off, and that it surprises him when it activates. The last two loaners I had had this and it never surprised me in both urban and suburban driving. In fact, I think it would have prevented the last 2 cases when someone else ran into me and wish it was federally mandated.

Am I a being a jerk to assume Mr. Bird drives too fast and threshold brakes at the last possible moment when approaching slower or stopped traffic (which is often accompanied by habitual tailgating)?

Then he says, the lane keeping assist resisted his desire to drive outside of his lane without signaling, “in order to … accelerate around someone (admittedly without signally).”

Whre I grew up, use of turn signals was mandatory (obviously NOT in MA). I consider turn signals the most basic form of driver2driver communication and courtesy. The only place I don’t use turn signals religiously is when I’m racing. Am I mistaken to think people who don’t bother with them are self-centered thoughtless, types who put individual over neighbor and society (I call them “meme” people)?

Overall, his assessment of the vehicle as a composite utility vehicle was ok, maybe even somewhat informative. I though the comment, “456-horsepower engine …. but honestly, you don’t need it.”
maybe he doesn’t know the x5 can tow >6000lbs and is used by many guys like me to haul airstreams, 6000lbs enclosed race car trailers with aerodynamics of a brick, and power boats. When you are moving 11,000lbs against a headwind up a steep grade in the heat of summer , you need every single HP and ft-lbs you can get.

Or, maybe I’m just being a curmudgeon today, having just driven 175 miles with 6000lbs trailer in tow, and dealing with hordes of idiot New England drivers who think nothing of changing lanes 3ft off my front bumper (without turn signals) the slamming on the brakes to make their exit, tailgating me so close I can’t see them in my extended tow mirrors, and wandering into my lane because they are playing with their damn phone. I am 110% in favor of maximum non-defeatable driver assistance nannies in new cars, as most of the driving population really need them … including the typical BMW driver .

John
 
John - my experience with a frontal collision warning system in a rental car differs from yours.

This was a few years ago, but here is my story: I was driving down a two lane road at about 45mph in a rented Chevrolet Impala, maybe four car lengths from the car in front of me in Western Michigan. Suddenly, a deer runs out into the road in front of the car in front of me. Not knowing if the driver is going to come to a complete stop (and wary of both the brakes and the chassis dynamics in the Impala), I initiated my braking with relatively firm pressure on the pedal. I can say with a high degree of confidence that this was not a full on panic stop situation because my wife in the passenger seat was completely nonplussed.

The Impala, on the other had, freaked out. A series of bright red lights began flashing on the speedometer, and several loud beeps came out of nowhere. Indeed, the car scared "the bejesus out of me." I had slowed the car sufficiently that I was confident I could stop even if the car in front of me came to a complete stop, and had evaluated the shoulder as an escape route in case I needed a plan B. (Moving in the other direction, potentially into on-coming traffic, is never an option). So, having determined plan A and plan B, I was left wondering WTF does all this flashing and beeping mean?

Given that I had no idea what the car was doing, I determined to ignore whatever the lights and beeps were supposed to impart. At that same instant, the deer disappeared and the driver in front of me to release his brakes and accelerate away from me. I eased up on the brake pressure, checked to ensure the deer was not still around, and returned to driving.

I personally do not find a panic alarm useful in situations that do not require panic. And the newer systems will override your decisions about braking pressure and bring the car to a sudden stop. I do not want one of these systems in a car I own.
 
I see.

I can understand an OEM having the systems tuned a little conservatively, as they cannot predict the road surface mu and tire tread compound/condition thus the actual true point of too-late to activating the brakes.

Sounds like GM is being overly conservative in that you set it off with nothing close to threshold braking. In fact, I would not be surprised if GM calibrates the system for a worst case where the owner is on old/worn tires of dubious capability and the road conditions are less than ideal.

While I’ve never had the system go off on me in any BMW, my sister give the system in my mother’s E-Class a real test. She reported that it actually does prevent frontal collisions … so I’m still strongly in favor of active safety nannies for the general population. Maybe it’s because I’ve had multiple cars totaled when distracted/speeding drivers failed to use their brakes and violated me legal right to be where I was. At least none of the offending cara was a BMW…
 
I agree that most drivers don’t obey basic traffic/safety courtesies but it seems to me the more driver assists that come built in to the cars the worse drivers get because they rely on them while doing other things besides paying attention. However I would be in favor of a non-defeatable, left lane drifter, self activating Illudim Q-36 explosive space modulator to eliminate that part of the driving public
 
Remember, no one on the road has had any serious or even laughable driver training. Most have gone from child safety seats to the driver's seat. Pass the laughable(there's that word again) state driver test, blow off the written part(laughable, again) and off you go. No mandated number of hours(enforceable ones anyway) no limit on how many other stoned, texting, talking on their cell phones pre-adolescents hanging in the car. Where I live stop signs are considered yield signs. Yield signs mean right-of-way.
When I was racing hotrods on the public highways in my errant youth, an orange light meant "gun it!" Rule still applies.

Steve, as for tailgaters, I am thinking of mounting a bucket of nails below the bumper with a lever I can pull when the moron behind me can read the word Pennsylvania on my plate.
I once had a cop tailgating me. No lights, no siren, turned off after a couple of miles. Go figure.
 
Here's one man's solution to tailgaters. Not everyone can employ this technique and not everyone will get it, but I'd say it's effective for quite a few.
 

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I agree that most drivers don’t obey basic traffic/safety courtesies but it seems to me the more driver assists that come built in to the cars the worse drivers get because they rely on them while doing other things besides paying attention. However I would be in favor of a non-defeatable, left lane drifter, self activating Illudim Q-36 explosive space modulator to eliminate that part of the driving public
Bad Drivers misbehave regardless. Making cars smarter makes those drivers less dangerous to others. I think Forward collision avoidance will follow in the footsteps of ABS, stability control, seat belts and airbags. These technologies save both the innocent and the idiots. The legitimate beef in the article is those same safety enhancements are (1) not perfect, (2) may reduce the quality of the driving experience .

but back to the rant. The author says he doesn’t need the automated frontal collision avoidance system, especially one that cannot be permanently defeated. I wish I were as perfect a driver as he, able to react without a millisecond of delay were a deer to suddenly jump into my path. I’m surprised he didn’t also ask for a permanent defeat switch for ABS and DSC, and low tire pressure warning.

John
 
The use of turn signals in south Florida now means I have the right to cut in front of you at any time.
Been like that forever in SoCal......Noticed a huge difference in Portland before Portland went completely off their rocker a few years back.......complete opposite, I think everyone driving up there was smoking some of the wacky tobaccy, if you know what I mean?
 
Bad Drivers misbehave regardless. Making cars smarter makes those drivers less dangerous to others. I think Forward collision avoidance will follow in the footsteps of ABS, stability control, seat belts and airbags. These technologies save both the innocent and the idiots. The legitimate beef in the article is those same safety enhancements are (1) not perfect, (2) may reduce the quality of the driving experience .

but back to the rant. The author says he doesn’t need the automated frontal collision avoidance system, especially one that cannot be permanently defeated. I wish I were as perfect a driver as he, able to react without a millisecond of delay were a deer to suddenly jump into my path. I’m surprised he didn’t also ask for a permanent defeat switch for ABS and DSC, and low tire pressure warning.

John
I continue to have major concerns.

My wife's E Class has a system that will begin to enhance brake pressure if the time between letting off the accelerator and beginning to apply brake falls below a certain threshold. This I don't mind because in any situation where you need to slow down quickly, you need to read how the car is responding to your braking inputs and react to that response. And you can practice with this system, which I have done.

However, with the collision warning systems that rely on sensors on the front of the car, I doubt seriously there is a way to practice their use. Therefore, as illustrated by my experience, drivers will not be familiar with these systems when they spring into action. And, as I said in my earlier post, having the car scream at me "YOU ARE POTENTIALLY IN A DANGEROUS SITUATION" when I am already executing my response to that situation is not helpful. It is distracting and annoying, somewhat like having a passenger scream "WE'RE GONNA DIE."

And, it is entirely possible that these systems may spring into action when a collision is not, in fact, imminent. For example, consider the NJ driver careening down I-95 between DC and Richmond at 100 mpg who turns abruptly into your lane, five feet from your front bumper. This has happened to me many times over the years. It is not hard to imagine a collision response system bringing your car to a screaching halt in the middle of the interstate, which nobody around you will expect.

Another concern I have is whether these systems will interfere with my chosen response to a situation. The industry already has lane deviation systems that will provide steering inputs. I strongly suspect accident avoidance systems that will steer the vehicle are on their way. I don't want to potentially have to fight the car for control in a panic situation.

I like BMW's active safety philosophy. Make a car with a good seating position and good visibility that will brake and change directions well, and tell the drivers that they are an important component of the safety of the overall system.
 
NJ driver careening down I-95 between DC and Richmond at 100 mpg who turns abruptly into your lane, five feet from your front bumper
I lived in NJ for three years. In rush hour traffic on the GSP, 5ft of margin at 70mph is generous. And of course nobody signaled because hat would be an invitation to block. The system in my mom’s car seems to understand that if the relative speed is close it just needs to ease up slightly to grow the gap to a safe size (it has intelligent cruise control). It does not slam on the brakes and bring you to a screeching halt on a crowded 70mph freeway.

All of you guys are Emerson Fittipaldis and never need any kind of emergency safety aids. Heck, you guys don’t even need to wear seat belts because you have the skill to avoid any nutso drivers. But in my neck of the woods most drivers are closer to the 3 stooges, and that absolutely includes drivers of new BMW’s. I’m solidly convinced active safety systems reduce accidents, injuries and deaths. Despite their flaws, they are way way better than the average yahoo motorist.
 
tell the drivers that they are an important component of the safety
Driving school beats that philosophy into you, yet I think highly skillful safe drivers are a minority in our roads. you guys all do HPDE’s and have exceptional reaction times. The average BMW drivers aren’t like you.
 
I too have seen this deterioration in driver competence, etiquette, general care for others on the road. Until things reach cataclysmic status, some of us just move out to more rural areas to kick the can down the road, and perhaps build that MadMax-type vehicle that can survive the idiots who will blame those they crash into. Can't be too careful out there. Good luck everyone. :cool:
 
I believe that active safety systems are needed more than ever because people have forgotten that driving is serious and a privilege rather than a right. So many seem pre-occupied with other things while they are controlling a huge, potentially dangerous projectile. The safety systems DO worry me however because too many will and have relied solely on them, forget that driving is active and not passive and some drivers now multi-task even more while they drive. Seeing someone in a parking garage looking forward as they are backing into a space, people unable to parallel park or yes, getting hit by a person in a Tesla because "my camera didn't show me you were there" does scare me. Why am I thinking of the "orgasmatron" from the Woody Allen move "Sleeper".

Sadly, the same is happening in medicine. I don't need a Doppler probe to feel a pulse like so many of the younger people do, they have learned no other way and soon, drivers will be like this too. I have done my part and taught my kids true driving skills and all of them can drive a stick already.
 
John - I am by no means claiming I am Emerson Fittipaldi. However, I am keenly aware that driving is by far the most dangerous thing I do on a regular basis, and I have for decades worked at my driving skills.

My major concern is simply that I don't want to operate a motor vehicle that may override my inputs. Either I am the driver, or I am not. I don't want to be somewhere in-between.

But my view is not going to prevail. These systems are coming, and I am going to have to live with them.
 
I think it's common with us humans to want "all those OTHER drivers to have the collision avoidance devices on THEIR cars so they don't hit me, but don't mess with my right to do what I want, when I want, how I want". ;)
 
I think it's common with us humans to want "all those OTHER drivers to have the collision avoidance devices on THEIR cars so they don't hit me, but don't mess with my right to do what I want, when I want, how I want". ;)

Its more than that. These systems are going to kill a lot of people while we work out the bugs. I'd rather not be one of the lab rats.
 
Its more than that. These systems are going to kill a lot of people while we work out the bugs. I'd rather not be one of the lab rats.
I agree that those systems will get more refined going forward. But I don't think "a lot of people" are being killed by them.

I remember when seat belts were first installed as standard equipment in new cars. Some insisted they were "killers" and that not wearing the belt and being thrown clear of an accident was a far better option.
 
Ohmess, sorry, we are already a nation of lab rats. Whether we like it or not. The largest most comprehensive unsupervised clinical trial in history has been going on for years. Sunscreen. Nobody, not the EPA, the CDC, the DOD, the NIH, has a clue about the long term side effects of sunscreen. The lotion we lather and spray on our smallest children, ourselves and the old old. And then there are the GRAS ingredients. Ingredients that are "Generally Recognized as Safe" by the government that we ingest on a daily basis that have been subjected to little if any clinical testing.
 
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