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Please check any of these great deals on CL before sending money.
Even estabilshed websites might be scams.

These cars are becoming harder to get and more desirable. There are many buyers out there that widened their search to include anything they can find on the internet.

This guy tells his story... Had to read it all.. Had to pass this on.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/pors...st-got-scammed-smokey-auto-sales-florida.html

Just saw another add locally for a nice tii, looked like a nice deal.... Scam, picutres were from bringatrailer 2011

If you are thinking of buying something over the internet, more pictures may not be enough to ensure you are not getting scammed.
 
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Personal Inspection is really mandatory, unless you know the seller very very well, and even then an inspection is a good idea to keep a good relationship intact. One great thing about this community is if there's a coupe for sale thousands of miles away and there's someone nearby on this board they often would be willing to take a look at it for you - and should be compensated for such (although because of good manners no one ever asks for it) At least that gives if not expert, an objective take on a car.

There are crooks, liars and thieves everywhere in the car community - watching out for all our vintage car brothers is implied. Beating crooks with a pipe wrench isn't, but should be.

Just my opinion of course

Jeff
 
Indeed, I checked out the $900 e3 I bought in Phoenix. I had a friend there drop off the check and pick up the title, just to be sure the guy was legit before I drove all the way there (worked out fine in the end).

Always good to check
 
Wow, a frightening read. I have to say thanks again to Peter Coomaraswarmy for holding my car at his place while I wired the money to the seller and arranged transportation; it gave me much needed peace of mind.
 
Scam.

I also had a close call back in 2003. I was just recovering from my first heart attack and quite depressed. I had two 2000cs cars and had no desire to start the restoration on either one of them. I decided the best for me would be to sell both. I put an add in a NY BMW club classified and with-in a couple of days I received an email from a man with a foreign accent. He asked me what I had for a price and I told him he could buy boith cars and all parts,which included two doors.hood two quarters and a trunk lid, for a very fair price of $6000,which was much less than what I had invested in one car alone. I immediately received a reply saying he wanted the cars and parts and would pay for shipping and the cost of materials to package all the parts.
Giving the fact that no pictures of th cars or parts were requested,and the fact there was no negotiateing over the asking price,something seemed fishy.
Next I received instructions for delivery. He told me he had a transporter delivering a car he just restored and the transporter would come to my house when he left Texas. The transporter would have a Bank Check for $12000 from the sale of the car he delivered in Texas,he would give me the $12000 check whichn I was to casha d give the remainder to the driver,and not to forget to take the cost of packageing. I replied that I wanted the check in advance so I could take it to the bank and have a Bank Check made out for the difference. He agreed and within a couple of days I received a Bank Check drawn on a bank in Texas. Next I took the check to my Credit Union and told the clerk I was suspicious of the check and asked her to call the bank in Texas to make sure there were funds to cover the $12000.
She said that would not make sense because it was a Bank Check and of coarse the bank would be able to cover the amount. Even though the girl knew more about bank checks than I would have known, I decided to call the Bank in Texas and confirm that the check was real. I guess you know the answer. It was one of 91 counterfit checks drawn on that one bank. I missed my calling.I should of been a Detective.
Shortly after the dealership I worked at received a Auto Dealer Alert about the scam and how 31 dealers all over the counrty had been taken for serious amount of money.
Thanks for reading this.
Koopman
 
Yet another scam!

I am a car salesperson and have been for 15 years, I have been with Rolls-Royce for a majority of that time.

I received a phone call about four years ago from a man in South Carolina; he asked if I had the ability to contact the owner of a car that our company had sold new. I said I could but I was not allowed to divulge any information due to privacy laws. The man had a desperate tone to his voice so I inquired as to why he needed to contact the owner of this car? He gave me his story which unfortunately came with a bad ending.

This man had been dreaming of owning a Rolls-Royce for many years and he had worked hard to save the money. This particular car was for sale at a local dealership that mainly dealt with vintage Porsches and had been in the process of growing their latest business which was a 356 replica that ran on battery power. They had managed to consign a 1973 Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow and this man from South Carolina had seen the car online and entered in to negotiations with the dealer. They agreed to a price of $25,000.00 delivered to him in South Carolina. This transaction happened in May of 2011. I received the desperate phone call in late July of 2011. It turns out they had been "waiting for the owner to sign the release paperwork and that they could not release the car until the owner of the car finalized the sale". Apparently there had been many phone calls similar to this where the dealer kept dragging out the delivery. Finally in a last ditch effort the buyer reached out to me and this is where things got interesting. I was able to look up the current owner’s information since he was also a service customer; so I knew that I could contact him. I asked the man from South Carolina to forward all the correspondence and documents to me, which he did via fax, I needed proof. The fax contained a canceled cashier’s check, a sales contract and back and forth communication regarding the details of the sale. The cashier’s check was deposited on May 31st. which was verified by the time stamp on the back of the check. This gave me enough reason to call the owner of the car.

I reached the owner, he said that he indeed had his Rolls-Royce for sale and the dealership had a buyer; but there were some issues on final payment and a minor disagreement on what transportation company to use and the buyer had not paid them for the transportation. I asked the owner to come to my office and showed him the canceled cashier’s check, the contract, and the correspondence. He was shocked and asked what he should do? I said that he needs to go get his car and find out what the heck was happening with the transaction and where the money went. He did just that, he walked in, saw the owner’s wife, who was also the business manager, and asked her if the car was sold, she said yes; so he inquired about the money, she admitted that they no longer had the money and that it had been spent. He called me in a bit of a panic and asked what he should do next and I said that he should pull the car out and go to the police, which he did.

Unfortunately for the man in South Carolina the money was gone and other than filling a report with his local police and the Fountain Valley police there was really nothing they could do.

About a week later a Porsche friend, sent me a PDF of the local Porsche Club Newsletter with his 993 on the cover, he had won an award at the local Porsche Concours. I scrolled through the newsletter and found an ad from the same dealership that absconded with the $25,000.00 from the Rolls-Royce sale. I quickly called my Porsche friend to tell him the story about this man in South Carolina and how this dealership had stolen his money. I insisted that the Porsche Owner’s Club didn’t want anything to do with this dealership; so my friend called the chapter president who agreed to yank the ad and proceeded to tell him a similar story with a Porsche that was consigned there as well, this time the money had not only been spent; but the car had also been delivered out of state to the new owner. A few weeks went by and more stories came out of customer cars missing parts and other transactions that had gone bad. The dealership is now out of business and the owners are now on to the next scam. It is a shame since these are the sort of people that give the good guys a bad name.
 
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Unfortunately these scammers close up shop and change their business entity before anything bad can happen. A short time later they pop up in a new location with a new gig such as the case with the dealership in the scam I mentioned above. He is now pushing a business that restores El Caminos and offers a franchise opportunity to anyone that wants to jump on the opportunity. He also continues to push his electric Porsches and other various business ventures.

http://www.johncalicchio.com/

You guys might like this link:

http://www.johncalicchio.com/The True Story.pdf
 
One thing about that scam thread that rather torches me is that the wire transfer was BofA to BofA, yet Bank of America did nothing to help this guy. I'm no lawyer, but it would seem that the bank would have an interest in making sure its services are not used to defraud its customers.
 
My recent story: Put my e39 on CL to sell at a fair price fully expecting to get Nigerian Scammers. I got an interesting email from a Chinese National. "OK this is the scam," I said to myself-- He all but professes his love for the car, but can't personally come see it. "I will send out my mechanic from Staten Island, if he like it, I will pay you asking price" I respond nicely "No third parties, if you want the car you must come in person." He persists with this news story claiming HE was the sole survivor in a crash involving an e39 http://www.fox10phoenix.com/story/25016071/2014/03/19/1-dead-1-injured-after-car-drives-over-cliff-on-sr-88

I sold it to him. Who puts that much effort in a story to buy a car?! I'm asking myself though,"why did I sell a car that I could apparently walk away from a 200 foot canyon plunge?" Interesting news story for the e39 owners out there. We did communicate through phone prior to purchase, all worked out well.
http://www.fox10phoenix.com/story/2...-injured-after-car-drives-over-cliff-on-sr-88
 
Great stories. Here's mine. Buddy and I bought a true barn find 75 CSi. Foolishly decided to list it on ebay, whole car, rather than part it out. Which we eventually did. Ebay virgins that we were we listed it wrong and a scammer put in a bid or something and shut the auction down.

Now the fun begins. He is in Florida, maybe, his shipper is in London? The phony cashier's check arrives drawn on a boat/used car dealers bank in North Carolina. The usual, written for too much, cash and send the difference, blah, blah blah.

I email no deal, who are you kidding. He comes back with a nasty email calling me a cheat and liar. What fun.

Learned multiple valuable lessons.

Steve
 
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