feri
Well-Known Member
Dear all,
I would like to ask your help about the side mirrors of the e9 serie. For a long time i believed, that the new style (thick) mirrors came in 1971 for the 3.0 cs/csi - as the brochures sugessted. But after i have carefully examined lots of the factory and magazine pictures, i don't understand the logic behind these mirrors.
Let me show you a few 'problem' example:
1. 2800 CS press photo from 1968 - old style thin mirror at the 'A' pillar
[Broken External Image]:http://www.capabmw.hu/e9forum/mirror1.jpg
2. 2800 CS brochure photo from 1968/12 - old style thin mirror behind the left vent window, also it seems the shape of the mirrors on this picture is different
[Broken External Image]:http://www.capabmw.hu/e9forum/mirror3.jpg
3. 2800 CS Road and Track photo from 1970/2 - 2000 CS style mirror on the top of the left side panel
[Broken External Image]:http://www.capabmw.hu/e9forum/mirror7.jpg
4. 2800 CS DKW photo from about 1971 - it has both 2000 CS style mirror on the top of the left side panel and the old style thin mirror, but the thin mirror is now is in different place, behind the front left vent window (!)
[Broken External Image]:http://www.capabmw.hu/e9forum/mirror11.jpg
So we have seen 4 2800 CS photos, and all of them has different mirrors, on different places.
Lets continue with some 3.0 cs / csi photos:
5. 3.0 CSi factory photo from 1971 - 2000 CS style mirror on the top of the left side panel
[Broken External Image]:http://www.capabmw.hu/e9forum/mirror9.jpg
6. 3.0 CS or CSi brochure photo from 1971 - old style thin mirror at the 'A' pillar
[Broken External Image]:http://www.capabmw.hu/e9forum/mirror5.jpg
7. 3.0 CS USA brochure photo from about 1973 - new style thick mirror, behind the front left vent window
[Broken External Image]:http://www.capabmw.hu/e9forum/mirror2.jpg
8. 3.0 CS or CSi euro brochure photo from 1973 - old style thin mirror at the 'A' pillar
[Broken External Image]:http://www.capabmw.hu/e9forum/mirror4.jpg
9. 3.0 CS or CSi factory photo from about 1972 - new style thick mirror, behind the front left vent window
[Broken External Image]:http://www.capabmw.hu/e9forum/mirror10.jpg
10. 3.0 CS or CSi factory photo from about 1971 - old style thin mirror at
the 'A' pillar
[Broken External Image]:http://www.capabmw.hu/e9forum/mirror12.jpg
11. 3.0 CSi brochure photo from 1974 - old style thin mirror at
the 'A' pillar
[Broken External Image]:http://www.capabmw.hu/e9forum/mirror13.jpg
12. 3.0 CS brochure photo from 1975 - old style thin mirror at
the 'A' pillar
[Broken External Image]:http://www.capabmw.hu/e9forum/mirror6.jpg
What i have seen / think about these mirror based on all the pictures i have seen - please correct me if i am wrong:
A, All Italian E9 got old style thin mirror (you can see this style mirror fox ex. on the 1st picture)
B, All USA E9 got new style thick mirror
C, The 2000 CS style "mirror on the top of the left side panel" was available until 1971 or 1973
D, Both 3.0 CSL (all series) and the 2.5CS got old style thin mirror at the 'A' pillar
My questions are:
- what is the logic behind these mirrors ?
- actually are these mirrors were standard or can be selected from the equipment list ? For example: was it possible to choose a 2000 CS mirror + new style mirror at the 'A' pillar for a 1969 2800 CS ?
- which mirrors were available for which e9 models + date whet it was available ? (for example: the 2000 CS mirror was available for 2800 CS and 3.0 CSi between 1968-1971)
- what is the logic between the mixed mirrors - when the 2000 CS style mirror and the old style mirror also were on the car ?
- are there any information about if it was possible to order a car without side mirrors ?
- why some cars have got no passanger side window ? Was is a specific e9 modell / year speciality, or it was possible to order a car without side window ?
For example: 3.0 CSi right hand drive car, Autocar magazine photo from 1972 - no side mirror on the passanger side
[Broken External Image]:http://www.capabmw.hu/e9forum/mirror8.jpg
- it is known that electic outside window was available for the e9. Which mirror was electic mirror (old style thin, or new style thick mirror), when was it available (year and/or month) and for which modell ?
- as Mobile tradition has got no information about the ordered equipment list of the E9 BMWs, how is is possible to find out that which mirror (or mirrors !) were ordered for a spefic car, and where the mirror were placed on the driver and/or the passenger side ?
Thank you for your answers in advance.
I would like to ask your help about the side mirrors of the e9 serie. For a long time i believed, that the new style (thick) mirrors came in 1971 for the 3.0 cs/csi - as the brochures sugessted. But after i have carefully examined lots of the factory and magazine pictures, i don't understand the logic behind these mirrors.
Let me show you a few 'problem' example:
1. 2800 CS press photo from 1968 - old style thin mirror at the 'A' pillar
[Broken External Image]:http://www.capabmw.hu/e9forum/mirror1.jpg
2. 2800 CS brochure photo from 1968/12 - old style thin mirror behind the left vent window, also it seems the shape of the mirrors on this picture is different
[Broken External Image]:http://www.capabmw.hu/e9forum/mirror3.jpg
3. 2800 CS Road and Track photo from 1970/2 - 2000 CS style mirror on the top of the left side panel
[Broken External Image]:http://www.capabmw.hu/e9forum/mirror7.jpg
4. 2800 CS DKW photo from about 1971 - it has both 2000 CS style mirror on the top of the left side panel and the old style thin mirror, but the thin mirror is now is in different place, behind the front left vent window (!)
[Broken External Image]:http://www.capabmw.hu/e9forum/mirror11.jpg
So we have seen 4 2800 CS photos, and all of them has different mirrors, on different places.
Lets continue with some 3.0 cs / csi photos:
5. 3.0 CSi factory photo from 1971 - 2000 CS style mirror on the top of the left side panel
[Broken External Image]:http://www.capabmw.hu/e9forum/mirror9.jpg
6. 3.0 CS or CSi brochure photo from 1971 - old style thin mirror at the 'A' pillar
[Broken External Image]:http://www.capabmw.hu/e9forum/mirror5.jpg
7. 3.0 CS USA brochure photo from about 1973 - new style thick mirror, behind the front left vent window
[Broken External Image]:http://www.capabmw.hu/e9forum/mirror2.jpg
8. 3.0 CS or CSi euro brochure photo from 1973 - old style thin mirror at the 'A' pillar
[Broken External Image]:http://www.capabmw.hu/e9forum/mirror4.jpg
9. 3.0 CS or CSi factory photo from about 1972 - new style thick mirror, behind the front left vent window
[Broken External Image]:http://www.capabmw.hu/e9forum/mirror10.jpg
10. 3.0 CS or CSi factory photo from about 1971 - old style thin mirror at
the 'A' pillar
[Broken External Image]:http://www.capabmw.hu/e9forum/mirror12.jpg
11. 3.0 CSi brochure photo from 1974 - old style thin mirror at
the 'A' pillar
[Broken External Image]:http://www.capabmw.hu/e9forum/mirror13.jpg
12. 3.0 CS brochure photo from 1975 - old style thin mirror at
the 'A' pillar
[Broken External Image]:http://www.capabmw.hu/e9forum/mirror6.jpg
What i have seen / think about these mirror based on all the pictures i have seen - please correct me if i am wrong:
A, All Italian E9 got old style thin mirror (you can see this style mirror fox ex. on the 1st picture)
B, All USA E9 got new style thick mirror
C, The 2000 CS style "mirror on the top of the left side panel" was available until 1971 or 1973
D, Both 3.0 CSL (all series) and the 2.5CS got old style thin mirror at the 'A' pillar
My questions are:
- what is the logic behind these mirrors ?
- actually are these mirrors were standard or can be selected from the equipment list ? For example: was it possible to choose a 2000 CS mirror + new style mirror at the 'A' pillar for a 1969 2800 CS ?
- which mirrors were available for which e9 models + date whet it was available ? (for example: the 2000 CS mirror was available for 2800 CS and 3.0 CSi between 1968-1971)
- what is the logic between the mixed mirrors - when the 2000 CS style mirror and the old style mirror also were on the car ?
- are there any information about if it was possible to order a car without side mirrors ?
- why some cars have got no passanger side window ? Was is a specific e9 modell / year speciality, or it was possible to order a car without side window ?
For example: 3.0 CSi right hand drive car, Autocar magazine photo from 1972 - no side mirror on the passanger side
[Broken External Image]:http://www.capabmw.hu/e9forum/mirror8.jpg
- it is known that electic outside window was available for the e9. Which mirror was electic mirror (old style thin, or new style thick mirror), when was it available (year and/or month) and for which modell ?
- as Mobile tradition has got no information about the ordered equipment list of the E9 BMWs, how is is possible to find out that which mirror (or mirrors !) were ordered for a spefic car, and where the mirror were placed on the driver and/or the passenger side ?
Thank you for your answers in advance.