Sports Car Market
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Robert, I don't know anything about Sports Car Market, Keith or his ratings. Could you provide more details or a link? Thanks, Steve
Doesn't make sense.
2800 and 3.0 CS are essentially the same thing. So they should either be both a "B" or "C".
2800 and 3.0 CS are essentially the same thing. So they should either be both a "B" or "C".
don't look a gift horse in the mouth. if keith martin thinks a 2800cs is B collectible, perhaps that will raise the values on hagerty for it. owning a 2800cs ... this makes me happy
Love Keith.
I have never gotten this disparity in values between the 2800 and the 3.0 with Hagerty.
OK somewhat biased owning a 2800, but the only real difference between the two is essentially 4 wheel discs with the 3.0 and the more free revving less smog restricted (and nominally quicker) 2800.
OK a CSi...but mechanical FI issues can be a nightmare....and power front windows are over rated.
B rating is a big deal. Catch the wave.
I have never gotten this disparity in values between the 2800 and the 3.0 with Hagerty.
OK somewhat biased owning a 2800, but the only real difference between the two is essentially 4 wheel discs with the 3.0 and the more free revving less smog restricted (and nominally quicker) 2800.
OK a CSi...but mechanical FI issues can be a nightmare....and power front windows are over rated.
B rating is a big deal. Catch the wave.
1Jarhead2
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This is a nice piece of good news seeing as how I am new in the E9 world.
In the 1990s BMW Car magazine article that contributed mightily to my desire to own an e9, I recall Murray commenting that there were build quality differences between the 2800 and the 3.0 (the roundels on the C pillar, trunk and hood come to mind), along with the fact that the 2800 is lighter.
I wouldn't think the smog restriction differential would be much of an issue; the 3.0 CS that has been continuously owned by people who prioritized maintaining the factory emissions systems is a rare bird indeed.
I wouldn't think the smog restriction differential would be much of an issue; the 3.0 CS that has been continuously owned by people who prioritized maintaining the factory emissions systems is a rare bird indeed.
How is a 2800 lighter than a 3.0?
jamesw
Well-Known Member
Woohoo! This is great news - it used to be flipped - where 2800s were undervalued compared to the later cars.
Mine is really a 3300 and has rear disks - but it still says 2800 on the back w/ the VIN to prove it
Cheers
James
Mine is really a 3300 and has rear disks - but it still says 2800 on the back w/ the VIN to prove it
Cheers
James
Mechanical FI? Nightmare? CSi Electronic D-jet has a reputation of being pretty reliable. I also think highly of Keith, but feel he is a little confused too.
IIRC, 2800s have more real brass/chrome trim parts opposed to plastics introduced later by the bean counters.
Brother had both a 2800 and a 3.0 at the same time in good nic and felt the 2800 was a slightly 'livelier' car. The smaller 2.8L rev'd quicker too.
Agree with comment that 2800s are in general a bit lighter than a 3.0s, especially a Euro delivered 2800 with roll up windows. We noticed his later '73 US 3.0 had more sound deadening material in the doors than my Dec '69 build Euro 2800.
MY two cents, as the E9 evolved, it gained a few pounds here and there in the pursuit of more luxury and suffered a slight loss in liveliness due to the different motor traits.
Again, just my two cents on the subject.
Brother had both a 2800 and a 3.0 at the same time in good nic and felt the 2800 was a slightly 'livelier' car. The smaller 2.8L rev'd quicker too.
Agree with comment that 2800s are in general a bit lighter than a 3.0s, especially a Euro delivered 2800 with roll up windows. We noticed his later '73 US 3.0 had more sound deadening material in the doors than my Dec '69 build Euro 2800.
MY two cents, as the E9 evolved, it gained a few pounds here and there in the pursuit of more luxury and suffered a slight loss in liveliness due to the different motor traits.
Again, just my two cents on the subject.
I recently subscribed to the magazine and received the 2015 pocket price guide and was stunned when I saw that "high" value for a Tii was $31,000 while the high value for a 3.0CS was $30,500. With the latest issue came the 2016 pocket guide with new value categories of median and high sale. They now have the high value for the Tii at $41,800 and the CS at $65,000. It seems likely that they got an earful from coupe owners but something obviously got their attention.
In general my sense of SCM is that they try to keep track of literally everything that is sold at auction and that auction prices are what they focus on, almost entirely. As most of us know, aside from CSLs, most E9s are sold elsewhere and often through word-of-mouth for the really good ones, so Keith Martin's lack of accuracy is understandable.
In general my sense of SCM is that they try to keep track of literally everything that is sold at auction and that auction prices are what they focus on, almost entirely. As most of us know, aside from CSLs, most E9s are sold elsewhere and often through word-of-mouth for the really good ones, so Keith Martin's lack of accuracy is understandable.
bimbill, I think you got it right. SCM uses auction data for their pricing. I've subscribed for years* and many of their cars were listed below actual market were low not just BMWs. While we've seen some nice CSLs go across the block the really choice 2+ or better non CSL cars are trading privately for nice money and they don't show up in the auction data unlike the with the 3 & 3+ cars like we've seen.
If you want to buy a really nice 3.0cs or Alfa for that matter they don't change hands that often so they are hard to find. If you want a restored 300sl or Isetta there's one or two at every auction as long have the $. Not so much for a CS
* One entertaining part of the mag is the auction commentary. One that really stuck with me was for a Porsche 928 in questionable condition. It was suggested they limit the investment post sale to avoid being underwater starting with a half a tank of gas.
If you want to buy a really nice 3.0cs or Alfa for that matter they don't change hands that often so they are hard to find. If you want a restored 300sl or Isetta there's one or two at every auction as long have the $. Not so much for a CS
* One entertaining part of the mag is the auction commentary. One that really stuck with me was for a Porsche 928 in questionable condition. It was suggested they limit the investment post sale to avoid being underwater starting with a half a tank of gas.