To convert AC ot Rotary or not? Advice

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I'm trying to decide whether to convert the AC on my original CS to a rotary unit. The York is working well but it's a pain to recharge and needs recharging every couple of years. Any thoughts? Would you convert on this mostly original car?

Thanks for the input
chuck
 
I'm plannig on putting a Sanden rotary in my CSi. The York is heavy and inefficient compared to the new compressors. However, I haven't checked into the R12/134a situation yet. Could be a deal breaker. Be sure to have a competent A/C guy check the specs for the compressor, expansion valve and exchanger, and the condenser to see if they match up.

However, if your's works, don't mess with it
 
I had a rotary on my previous CS and it was great - much smoother at idle etc. I want to do same on mine now and wish some of the folks that have done this could post the model # compressors that work as well as exactly which bracket is needed - there are so many different variations I am hesitant to pull the trigger. I just want to replace the compressor and keep the rest of the guts. With the rotary compressor the canister by the dryer is no longer needed.
 
a/c tune ups?

Osmosis? Yep.

All rubber leaks... tiny bits that over time add up. The original hoses were before they produced a new barrier version used now. Multiple layers of rubber, reinforcement, and pvc sheets are the most recent development.

On to Sanden, it's subjective in my opinion. If your system's working up to spec; leave it alone as Bwana suggests. Adding a little freon after two or three years is pretty good.

But, if your York compressor is shot , you're adding a new system, or you can't get past your rpms dropping everytime the yorky kicks in... go for the best the budget will allow. ( discounting originality, of course if you're shooting for that.)

Sanden- 508, double groove. Really cheap now that they make them in China. $125 new. But guess what- they just came out with new lines- full rotary vs. wobble plate. Too new to say if there's a direct fit. Back to the 508- check the type of oil for the type of freon you're intending to use. The new oils are compatible with both. 12 uses mineral and 134 uses a product call PAG oil. (synthetic) .

Weight- a York weighs 3 lbs more than a Sanden.

Brackets- if you have a system- an adapter plate for a York mount- order with the compressor. If not, custom offset ( remember the 30 degree M30 tilt and the water jacket bumps?) or later model bracket- 635, evilbay etc. The 02 guys website has a recent great thread and one of the members sells nice custom brackets. I'll find the link if you guys want it.

Sandens don't come with charging fittings/ 90s. And the hoses- at least the first ones coming off the compressor.

If you're running headers or big 3.5 manifolds- it's going to be close on the clearance/ fittings. But racer suppliers have come up with heat shield wrap.

Universal hose kits- great idea for the DIY's. You'll know the hoses fit, but you'll have to have them crimped at the local auto parts store... $600 for the hydraulic crimper which doesn't make sense to buy unless you're going to do up a bunch for your buddies. One tip- put an extra charge fitting in away from the exhaust!

Of course, if you're converting to 134a, there is more to consider..... slightly less efficient ( use 75% of an r12 charge). So to make up for that if you live in Arizona or feel like you do, change your condenser coil to the new type ( crossflow) which cools your refrigerant better. ( Think intercooler packed with ice)

Gauges- absolutely a must for trouble shooting. No guessing on this one.

There are a lot of variables to consider. If you're going to a shop- make sure they've done something similar to yours the right way.

Porsches have been converting forever. And there's over 30'-40' of a/c hose to replace!
 
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Rotary Conversion

I had a rotary on my previous CS and it was great - much smoother at idle etc. I want to do same on mine now and wish some of the folks that have done this could post the model # compressors that work as well as exactly which bracket is needed - there are so many different variations I am hesitant to pull the trigger. I just want to replace the compressor and keep the rest of the guts. With the rotary compressor the canister by the dryer is no longer needed.

There are conversion kits available for 5, 6, & 7 series cars that use the same m30 engine used in our coupes. The setup I used came with a Seltec 45021 rotary compressor, the installation kit had all of the mounting components along with the belt and fittings ( I had new barrier hoses made up). Although we do drive a greenhouse so we're at a distinct disadvantage in that respect. I just checked for availability and there are still plenty of the kits to go around.

Doug
 
thanks

thanks for the replies. If it fails I'll probably put in a newer ac but for now I just recharged it and it works pretty well. Of course the rpms drop by 3-400 when the compressor kicks in but I'll live with it for now.
 
There are conversion kits available for 5, 6, & 7 series cars that use the same m30 engine used in our coupes. The setup I used came with a Seltec 45021 rotary compressor, the installation kit had all of the mounting components along with the belt and fittings ( I had new barrier hoses made up). Although we do drive a greenhouse so we're at a distinct disadvantage in that respect. I just checked for availability and there are still plenty of the kits to go around.

Doug

Can you provide a source of these kits? I need a correct bracket that will clear the Motronic 1.3 harmonic balancer and trigger bracket. Or I need a different trigger bracket.

Garrett
 
I had the same problem on my last 3 conversions...

2 of them I went with the later compresser and just notched the bracket with the dremel and the bench grinder.
 
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