Viscous fan coupling aka Viscosity fan clutch

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Hi all,

My 1975 BMW 3.0Si has a viscous fan coupling which has failed. My car is still running the original 5 blade red fan setup. From what i can see this part is NLA and the replacement option is linked to the 9 blade fan setup. Is this correct, see below? Is this my only option? Does anyone have an NOS of the original? Will the below setup fit without any issues or is it a tight fit?

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In the shop, we use the best final cooling elements available from BMW to get spin-on ease, super thin fan with integrated fan shroud and heavy duty fan clutch cooling.

Add an auxiliary fan with an 82* C temp sender and you get 185-190*F stable temps.




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Hi all,

My 1975 BMW 3.0Si has a viscous fan coupling which has failed. My car is still running the original 5 blade red fan setup. From what i can see this part is NLA and the replacement option is linked to the 9 blade fan setup. Is this correct, see below? Is this my only option? Does anyone have an NOS of the original? Will the below setup fit without any issues or is it a tight fit?

I am no expert. Your description of a “five blade” fan suggests that your fan clutch is not the later viscous fluid fan clutch. Instead, it is more likely that you have the earlier “mechanical” fan clutch. It should be fairly easy for you to determine this. Although many have upgraded to a newer style viscous fan coupling which also includes installing a newer style fan with adapter or a newer style compatible water pump, there are a few original five-blade hold outs. If you are running the original mechanical fan clutch, you could consider shimming as suggested by a number of related forum posts, e.g., https://e9coupe.com/forum/threads/old-style-red-fan-mechanical-coupling-question.34345/ https://e9coupe.com/forum/threads/fan-clutch-replacement.38961/



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I am no expert. Your description of a “five blade” fan suggests that your fan clutch is not the later viscous fluid fan clutch. Instead, it is more likely that you have the earlier “mechanical” fan clutch. It should be fairly easy for you to determine this. Although many have upgraded to a newer style viscous fan coupling which also includes installing a newer style fan with adapter or a newer style compatible water pump, there are a few original five-blade hold outs. If you are running the original mechanical fan clutch, you could consider shimming as suggested by a number of related forum posts, e.g., https://e9coupe.com/forum/threads/old-style-red-fan-mechanical-coupling-question.34345/ https://e9coupe.com/forum/threads/fan-clutch-replacement.38961/



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yes good point i should have the early fan coupling as you suggest. I will get my mechanic to check what style i have.
 
I am no expert. Your description of a “five blade” fan suggests that your fan clutch is not the later viscous fluid fan clutch. Instead, it is more likely that you have the earlier “mechanical” fan clutch. It should be fairly easy for you to determine this. Although many have upgraded to a newer style viscous fan coupling which also includes installing a newer style fan with adapter or a newer style compatible water pump, there are a few original five-blade hold outs. If you are running the original mechanical fan clutch, you could consider shimming as suggested by a number of related forum posts, e.g., https://e9coupe.com/forum/threads/old-style-red-fan-mechanical-coupling-question.34345/ https://e9coupe.com/forum/threads/fan-clutch-replacement.38961/



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thanks for the thread. Sounds like its better to upgrade to the 9 blade set up. Is this a simple change or are there fitment issues?
 
i read people talking about a 400mm blade but the diagram below is showing 420mm. If i buy everything in this diagram will it work without any other modifications for fitment?

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thanks for the thread. Sounds like its better to upgrade to the 9 blade set up. Is this a simple change or are there fitment issues?
Let me repeat, I am no expert. That said, the short answer regarding changes and fitment concerns is “few.” If memory serves me correctly, switching to a nine or eleven-bladed fan did not present any fitment issues, although the newer-style fans seem to sit closer to the radiator than with the five blades. Further complicating the fitment is attaching a fan shroud to improve air flow - if your original radiator or radiator support does not readily permit this. (Hint: 2x check those motor mounts and transmission mount to ensure against too much engine movement during severe braking or acceleration.)

Regarding the 400mm versus 420mm conundrum, I cannot speak with any authority as to whether an additional 20mm creates any any additional fitment issue/s. Sight unseen, after 50 years, radiators and radiator placements have a tendency to vary with each application. And . . . if your radiator has been re-cored or replaced, it is impossible to foresee how or by how much the radiator might differ from the original.

Regarding your post whether the highlighted parts would make for a complete upgrade, it appears that the answer is a guarded, “it depends.” If, for example, your vehicle has been in an accident, you might have unforeseen fitment issues. Likewise, not all parts, even new ones, are identical. But, if you are considering a wholesale R&R of the current cooling system, why not upgrade to a new water pump that accepts the eleven-blade fan?

Unless you are experiencing overheating or poor cooling issues, you might consider keeping what has worked for five decades, i.e., five blades. In fact, if your fan clutch is failing to engage, a simple fix might be to try shimming the clutch as mentioned in forum threads, or as a default position, locking the clutch by two lengthy bolts. Obviously, the latter solution is less desirable, considering additional noise and drag. However, it is probably far more common than some might think, considering the cooling issues it might prevent.

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Boobouna - I'm like a broken record on this, but here goes. sfdon makes a living restoring e9s. He is one of the best in the world. He visits here simply to give back to the community that has provided him with a good living. If he jumps in to respond to your question, you will get the best available advice.

Simply put, your best course of action is to follow his advice.
 
I speak with limited experience on this but found that in my 72 E3 the adapter, #6 in the diagrams above, eventually slips/spins freely within the fan clutch, rendering it useless. After buying multiple adapters (perhaps because they are aluminum) and suffering the same fate, I fitted the adapter with a thin "rind" of brass, no more slipping and car has no issues with overheating. We have not had confirmation of what system we are dealing with and Don's years of experience should willfully be followed if the system needs replacement. I offer this just in case it does exist and the desire to keep what you have still exists.
 
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i read people talking about a 400mm blade but the diagram below is showing 420mm. If i buy everything in this diagram will it work without any other modifications for fitment?

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Answer is yes

You have the initial setup with friction clutch and five blade
Your description and parts are ok for a nine blade with viscous clutch conversion, easy to swap
Careful as you will need all those parts…


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Here parts 6 and 8, crucial and me thinks NLA, but I might be mistaken

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You need to remove the radiator to be able to do this
 
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i read people talking about a 400mm blade but the diagram below is showing 420mm. If i buy everything in this diagram will it work without any other modifications for fitment?

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One small detail about this drawing is that the pulley 11 is wrongly represented, it must be at end right position, rest is ok, it works well, me as of 14 years of ownership
 
In the shop, we use the best final cooling elements available from BMW to get spin-on ease, super thin fan with integrated fan shroud and heavy duty fan clutch cooling.

Add an auxiliary fan with an 82* C temp sender and you get 185-190*F stable temps.




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An excellent solution too,

@sfdon could you please provide 82ºC temp sender reference ? I can only find 90-95 one

Regards
 
Boobouna - I'm like a broken record on this, but here goes. sfdon makes a living restoring e9s. He is one of the best in the world. He visits here simply to give back to the community that has provided him with a good living. If he jumps in to respond to your question, you will get the best available advice.

Simply put, your best course of action is to follow his advice.
thanks mate. SFDON made a comment above but not sure what to make of it.
 
In the shop, we use the best final cooling elements available from BMW to get spin-on ease, super thin fan with integrated fan shroud and heavy duty fan clutch cooling.

Add an auxiliary fan with an 82* C temp sender and you get 185-190*F stable temps.




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Thanks mate, just trying to understand your reply. Are you saying i should buy all the parts in the diagram i posted?
 
Your diagram shows what I would call Gen 2 cooling. A bolt on viscous fan clutch. 9 blade fan.

Gen 3 would be the early small spin on fan clutch.

We are using Gen 4 parts - European only thin fan with last iteration big viscous clutch
 
Your diagram shows what I would call Gen 2 cooling. A bolt on viscous fan clutch. 9 blade fan.

Gen 3 would be the early small spin on fan clutch.

We are using Gen 4 parts - European only thin fan with last iteration big viscous clutch
ok. So do you have a diagram of the parts required for the Gen 4 system you refer to?
 
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