Yellow Zinc Plating Results

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Hello:
I recently had a few parts professionally zinc plated and Im not sure what to think about the results. The first photo here are my parts and the second is an image from the web (the bolt). My parts dont seem to have the same brightness or consistency of color as the bolt shown in the second photo. Ive seen some great platting results from many of you but I dont think my results were as good.






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I'm curious what it costs to have parts yellow plated. I do my own and after a while thought I was getting pretty good results. I also have (4) parts that I plated early on laying out in the dirt in my backyard. I think they've been in the dirt year round for four years with zero corrosion. I think they will last on a classic car driven occasionally for a lifetime. I am sure your parts will, too.
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I paid a flat fee of US$90. This was for just shy of as many pieces you could fit in a 1 gallon zip-lock bag.

I think your parts look better than mine. Well done.
 
I paid a flat fee of US$90. This was for just shy of as many pieces you could fit in a 1 gallon zip-lock bag.

I think your parts look better than mine. Well done.
Thank you. Yeah, I tend to focus a lot of energy and time on little things that don't matter a heck of a lot for most any nice car. Concourse level plating really doesn't matter if the car doesn't drive. While they may not be as shiny or color consistent, your parts look fine. As long as they don't corrode, I am sure they will work well on your car. Or you can invest a bit more money and a boat load of time and start plating yourself - but I might not recommend it. ;)
 
It takes a lot of space, but it is nice to have the equipment on hand to do a quick plate when you are working on a small project and want to clean up a few bits before you put it back together.

I agree that your parts will perform just fine. Not all mine are perfect...it is a learning journey.
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Since you guys clearly know what you are doing, I have other parts that I want to have a silver finish. This shop calls it "clear zinc plating". Does that sound right to you ??
 
Zinc is a protective coating. It is naturally silver Or after plating a dull gray. What you have there is because the zinc has additional additives in it to give it that appearance.

While it may have a slight better corrosion resistance (depending on the additive) it really is merely cosmetic.

Oops… forgot to finish my thought. It’s just a not really great job. Probably not enough additive or not put through the process well.
 
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I use a brightener in my zinc bath so the parts do come out "bright" but they will quickly degrade or become gray without a chromate bath. I suspect they are talking about a blue chromate which is really a bright finish. The picture below shows two items, the hood latch and the windshield wiper drive plate that have been zinc plated, then finished with a blue chromate.

Other parts that are yellow are finished with the yellow chromate on top of the zinc plate.

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Since you guys clearly know what you are doing, I have other parts that I want to have a silver finish. This shop calls it "clear zinc plating". Does that sound right to you ??
Yes, the "silver" finish is called clear.

I would say that cleaning the parts is one of the most important steps. They have to be REALLY clean. I assume the place you are having do the plating takes care of that, but the cleaner you can get them before you put them in the back, I would think the better.

That's a nice setup Lance @boonies . I've let my baths sit for quite some time. I suspect I'll have to rebuild my chemistry a bit to get back to the results I was getting previously. I took good notes and will have to review carefully.
 
I did some "clear", or is it blue, parts as well. Here are a few.
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Back then I had all my buckets on the floor. I've since built a better work surface that holds all the buckets over a slop sink on wheels.
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One other detail/tip that I remembered today is this. To get the parts nice and shiny, I feel the amperage must be very controlled. I carefully calculate the surface area of the parts - this is an extra step, and my small batches make adjusting the amperage pretty easy. This makes a big difference. I would imagine that the big plating houses lose a bit of that control which is why @David may have some slightly less shiny parts.
 
I've zinc plating done professionally on parts/fasteners for two different cars. One was done in yellow and the other clear.

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The above was the latest. If I remember correctly, that batch was about $150. I envy those that have done it themselves, but the cost is so low and I am so lazy that I just can't justify the work and materials to DIY.
 
Majority of professional electro plating facilities have transitioned to clear hexavalent chromium free for majority of zinc plating. This is due to RoHS compliance requirements that their customers must conform to. Yellow/gold zinc still reserved for domestic defense and specialty automotive applications.
In my business we outsource a lot of plating. We can “tell” when plater is busy by lack of brightness or cloudy finish. This is purely aesthetic.
in some cases it might be cheaper to do the hexavalent chromium free clear zinc if this is the primary process the plating shop is running.
 
I too have been using the Caswell zinc plating kit for years with better than mixed results. I also use a "brightener" to get almost a near chrome plating finish as it comes out of the solution, but alas it does not last long, as is the zinc is sacrificial.

As far as the coloring, I have been using the various "chromate" baths available. The depth of the cadmium yellow "pearlescence" finish color depends on how long its left in the solution, seconds to may a minute or so. Same with the clear that has a blueish tint. I have had not much luck using the black chromate. I believe the chromate baths are suppose to stabilize the the zinc coating, as . You chemists can weigh in on that.

I am curious as to those who use a professional plater for the zinc coating. Do they do the surface preparation? As others have pointed out, with any coating or paint, surface preparation is key.

To echo the sentiments of the others who do their own, it can be quit rewarding, but indeed takes up a lot of time, space, but really not a lot of money. In my area there are several shops that have asked me to do some small pieces for them, and I have considered, but now sure how to price the work. It does take time and from what I understand some big platers wait until they have a bunch to do. Would be curious if member David had to wait long to get his parts, $90 for bag full of hardware isn't a bad deal, especially if the plater did all the prep work. Also the whole bunch of parts that Dick Steinkamp had done for $150 was a steal, knowing how long it would have taken me to do those many pieces!

Bottom line at least in my case, a big advantage is one can keep control of their parts instead of sending them off somewhere, hoping they do not get lost, especially if the parts are irreplaceable.

As an aside while on the topic of plating, has anyone tried the triple chrome plating kit Caswell offers? I have been tempted. Yes one would be limited essentially as to what could fit in small bucket. But the price and wait to get stuff chromed, makes it so very tempting indeed.



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I use a brightener in my zinc bath so the parts do come out "bright" but they will quickly degrade or become gray without a chromate bath. I suspect they are talking about a blue chromate which is really a bright finish. The picture below shows two items, the hood latch and the windshield wiper drive plate that have been zinc plated, then finished with a blue chromate.

Other parts that are yellow are finished with the yellow chromate on top of the zinc plate.

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Everything looks beautiful Lance. I’ve decided I’m never going to catch up with you! (As if you don’t have enough to do, Isn’t there supposed to be a grub screw holding that cable grommet in place? :) )
 
Everything looks beautiful Lance. I’ve decided I’m never going to catch up with you! (As if you don’t have enough to do, Isn’t there supposed to be a grub screw holding that cable grommet in place? :) )
Ha, thanks Bill. I replaced what was there on the latch, now I am going to have to go take a look at the parts book!
 
Basically the yellow you see is a layer with Chrome in it, on top of a zinc layer. Funny enough, that 'chrome'-layer doesn't make it bumper-like chrome, but it is chemically called 'Chromate', so a different kind of animal. It's a Chromate layer that changes (converts) the zinc layer, hence it's also called a conversion layer.

The color difference you have on your parts compared to the bolt in your picture is due to an effect called "iridescence" and comes from a difference in thickness of the top Chromate layer, the colors coming from light bouncing differently into, reflecting and back to the Eye. (just like oil on water; there the light-ray-bouncing-thing works identical) The thickness variations of the conversion layer can be 2 things :
1. A material difference: two different materials are used to as a conversion layer; Hexavalent Chromate (Cr6+) and Trivalent Chromate (Cr3+). Cr6+ always has a bit of 'rainbow' to it; Cr3+ has a more uniform color.
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2. When using cr6+, longer soaking time gives the rainbow effects, but so does poor conductivity (often when hanging products on a rack), or when the sulfate concentration in the fluid is to low. Ref (https://www.pfonline.com/articles/quality-finishing-troubleshooting-hexavalent-chromium-plating)

We have a company local that does Zinc work; I've used them a lot privately + for my company. They have a full industrial Electro plating line where parts are hung on racks (for individual & odd shaped parts). Companies that have many identical pieces supply them in custom racks holding 1 to 10.000 of parts. The parts are then dipped in no less then 8 separate baths. I've used that setup to get inner sills, outer sills, A/B pillar parts and pieces of external body work treated. In that case it needs a hole to hang the parts, thus it's manual labor to hang them all.
They can do the sandblasting as well, but in the company i use they only do it quite rough; if you zinc coat a rough surface, you get something back that's rough; like its painted thinly over P180 sandpaper. So I deliver everything clean by myself: I wire brush large panels, and glass bead blast the smaller parts. Whenever possible, I hand sand with P320 to get a smoother surface. If you can still see rust specs with the naked eye, then I consider it not clean enough; more griding disc/sanding blasting is then in order. One of the baths is always an acid, so it eats any residual (porous) rust.
It's about 75 euro per square meter of metal.

For nuts and bolt I just supply them by the bucket; they have specific machines from them where they replace the fluids instead of the parts; they are like tumble dryers slowly rotating in a bathtub. I pay 75 Euro per bucket. The cleaner, the better results.

The Hexavalent Zinc-Chromate (Cr6+) treatment is the most durable but limited available (in EU at elast - not sure about US) as nowadays it's being replaced by tri-valent zinc chromate (Cr3+) for industry; In the EU, industries are not allowed anymore to use Cr6+ if it comes in skin contact with workers (e.g the nuts and bolts in car plants). Both Cr3+ and Cr6+ are better corrosion resistant then the clear (blue-isch silvery metal) zinc.
These Cr6+ and Cr3+ coatings are inferior to the Cadmium plating that is on our original fastners; The CAD plating is very, very similar to Zinc Chromate coatings. Mind you: if you clean the original nuts and bolts with abrasive blasting to get them clean, the Cadmium turns to dust and becomes a carcinogenic dust in your garage. DO USE AIR EXTRACTION and vent to the outside (which there was a better way to catch the Cadmium, but i do not know of any method - let me know if you do)

below: this is how clean i get parts BEFORE zinc treating screws / the rails.
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and after;
Left Chrome Cr3+ coating; right a Chrome 6+ coating (darker)
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When it comes to surface prep: sometimes I am also suprised: I just sandblasted the right one, and then zinced it will wires, plastic and copper parts in place and it came out like the left one. No problem!
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Very nice The cleaner and polished the parts are, the better they come out, I agree with that whole heartily. I use 2 tumbler/vibrators to prep all the nuts, bolts and smaller brackets I use resin green pyramid media with water and simple green to do the initial clean up, turn them on at night for 2-3 nights and then transfer over to another tumbler/vibrator with crushed walnut shells for the same amount of time. Everything comes out very clean and slightly polished ( depending on how new the walnut shells are ) I run them thru a metal wash and water treatment to stio flash rusting while I put together enough to take to the plater who will do up to 100 lbs at one time ( never got that much, only once with 3 of us putting in a bunch but still only came to about 50 lbs ) Stuff comes out great with just enough of that iridescent look. I glass bead the bigger stuff
Wish I had access to a place like Eric has to do much larger body pieces

Thanks, Rick
 
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