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i have been reading the recent discussions on scottevest's painting thread with great interest. on friday when i met with my painter, he mentioned a company here in ATL that specializes in converting old type lights to xenon. i checked out their website - https://www.theretrofitsource.com/

they have a range of products from HID to LED. i see a xenon projector conversion for early 911's ... a bit pricey, but looks like a great product - expensive, but cool - https://www.theretrofitsource.com/a...ies/flat-six-porsche-bi-xenon-headlights.html

i have sent them an email to find out what technology can be implemented in our cars, but still look stock. will keep you posted.
 

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Seems like the thing we really need is a properly designed 5.25" headlight and LED bulb that is designed as a system. One would think there is plenty of market potential for something like this (thinking about the millions of American and Euro classics). I would convert every classic I own if there were a good conversion at a reasonable price ($100 per light). Surely there's a classic car fanatic at one of the big OEM suppliers who could whip out a good enough design in a couple months of weekends and get it made by a cheap overseas factory?
 

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Thanks for moving this over here. I am very interested in what people have to say and what people are doing. I must’ve met I really do love the look of the singer shown here

I know it doesn’t look period. Correct but it looks really cool to me. Ideally, perhaps two the lights would be yellow and two white although I think it would look really cool to have them all white.

Should we rename this thread show us your lights?

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its a lot easier to do this in a 7" fixture with a more reasonable amount of depth. the 5.75" is a much shallower fixture. but i am hopeful that something cool can be done. i see on retrofitsource's website that they have a lot of specialty h1 and h4 bulbs ... perhaps with ballasts they can be mounted in our hella housings.
 

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FYI, Daniel Stern's opinion


Oh, geeze. NO, SIR, DON'T DO IT. TheRetrofitSource's entire
product line is trinkets from China. NONE of it is safe,
legal, or legitimate lighting equipment. So-called
"projector retrofits" are no good. My colleague Virgil has
posted a good, thorough description of some(!) of the
problems and issues with this what you're asking about, at
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?380558-What-s-wrong-with-projector-retrofits
.

And halogen lamps need to use halogen bulbs or they don't
(can't, won't) work effectively, safely, or legally. The
"LED bulbs" now flooding the market are not a legitimate,
safe, effective, or legal product. No matter whose name is
on them or what the vendor claims, these are a fraudulent
scam. They are not capable of producing even a fraction of
the amount of light produced by the filament bulb they
supposedly replace, let alone producing it in the right
pattern for the lamp's optics to work.

Same goes for "HID kits" in halogen-bulb headlamps or
fog/auxiliary lamps (any kit, any lamp, any vehicle no
matter whether it's a car, truck, motorcycle, etc.). They do
not work safely or effectively, which is why they are
illegal. See
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/Hid/conversions/conversions.html
-- the particulars are different for LED vs. HID, but the
principles and problems are the same overall. Again, halogen
lamps need to use halogen bulbs or they don't work right.

More info on where these "Use [these illegitimate lights],
they're great!" and "I have [these inadequate lights] and
love them!" types of comments come from:


The difficulty is, what we feel like we're seeing isn't what
we're actually seeing. The human visual system is a lousy
judge of how well it's doing. "I know what I can see!" seems
reasonable, but it doesn't square up with reality because we
humans are just not well equipped to accurately evaluate how
well or poorly we can see (or how well a headlamp works).
Our subjective impressions tend to be very far out of line
with objective, real measurements of how well we can (or
can't) see. The primary factor that drives subjective
ratings of headlamps is foreground light, that is light on
the road surface close to the vehicle...which is almost
irrelevant; it barely even makes it onto the _bottom_ of the
list of factors that determine a headlamp's actual safety
performance. A moderate amount of foreground light is
necessary so we can use our peripheral vision to keep track
of the lane lines and keep our focus up the road where it
should be, but too much foreground light works against us:
it draws our gaze downward even if we consciously try to
keep looking far ahead, and the bright pool of light causes
our pupils to constrict, which destroys our distance vision.
All of this while creating the feeling that we've got "good"
lights. It's not because we're lying to ourselves or
fooling ourselves or anything like that, it's because our
visual systems just don't work the way it feels like they work.

And it's a safety double-whammy because most poor-quality
headlamps produce just about nothing _but_ foreground light:
a wash of light close to the vehicle, but no concentrated
hot spot to throw light down the road where you need it, so
you get severely deficient seeing distance unless you aim
the lamps up in the air (and then they blind everyone on the
road, some of whom will write you tickets for it).
 

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that's what i was afraid of. glad to read other's reviews of it before spending any money on it. this verifies some of my thoughts about putting LED into a halogen lamp with optic glass. a few weeks ago on a different thread i voiced that concern.
 

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honestly my relayed low beam circuit with high watt bulbs along with the high watt high beam bulbs gives more light than my Ford F-150, it floods the road with light. And that's without the driving lights on. And 85 amp alternator.
 
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honestly my relayed low beam circuit with high watt bulbs along with the high watt high beam bulbs gives more light than my Ford F-150, it floods the road with light. And that's without the driving lights on. And 85 amp alternator.

http://www.rallylights.com/hl282-sm...ness-for-conventionally-switched-systems.html

I’m with Steve. I will be upgrading my e3 to H4’s soon. But I would not do it with out properly wired in relays and a higher amp alternator. Just my 2 cents.
 

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Bert, With standard H4 lo beam, when hi beam is on the 55w lo filament goes out and 60w hi is on, not both. 115w would be very hot in one lamp. Euro coupes use H1 for both lo and hi, which is why the US stalk has to be modified to illuminate lo beam when hi is selected.
 

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I converted my 2002 with Daniel Stern's relay kit and Osram H4 lamps... huge difference over the OEM system with very good projection and clean, white light. Susquehana offers pre-made harnesses and I like them as well. MoBrighta over on 2002FAQ sells good lighting upgrades. https://www.bmw2002faq.com/forums/t...y/?tab=comments#comment-1054409&searchlight=1

I have had good experiences with all three of these folks. The guys at Susquehana actually sent me some old Hella stickers to go on some period driving lights... good guys, for sure.

Ed
 

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Daniel Stern sells domed Cibie H4 with city light. I have Hellas on the coupe but really like the domed Cibies on the 2800, I think the light output is better.
 

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uhmmm ... ehrrr ... Andrew, if those are the bi-focal low beams, those would be H1 lows. the highs are definitely H1 ... so you must have the H4 low beams, but i wasn't aware that Hella did the H4 low beams with city lights.

Thought they were BiFocal but after looking at what rallylights.com sells I'm sure they aren't.
 

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i have the hellas h4 low + h1 high. not that enamored with the low beams. the high beams are fine. i don't remember my low beams sticking out as far as Andrew's. before reading the stuff from Stern, i was just going to take the hellas out and put cibies in ... then i started thinking about the h1 bi-focal hellas. i guess i will just stay put for the time being.
 
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