2800CS on BaT

Between this and the current 635CSi that shot to $62.5K within an hour of starting, seems that maybe there are more people just putting their stake in the ground in an effort to avoid the last-minute skyrocket. It would be an interesting psychological study of bidding to assess whether auctions that have early high bids end up at a lower final value than those whose value shoots up just in the last 30 minutes. Thinking about my own auction win, which was one of those last-minute battles, and did end up pushing me just a bit beyond where I'd initially targeted, I'm not sure how a near-final-amount bid on day 1 by me or someone else would have motivated others to join or perhaps stay away.
Regardless, a nice car for auction.
 
It is a nice looking car.

I’m curious to hear from people who have experience with a bare-metal resto. To me, it looks like this had some rust corrected in the outer visible layer of sheet metal, but they left a lot of layers of rusty metal underneath in the fenders and rockers.
 
Curious about the piece of sheetmetal riveted to the passenger side of firewall in the glovebox. Also there aren't any pics inside the "oddments" compartment (fuse box/hood latch) that I see.
 
Minivansomeren said:
I’m curious to hear from people who have experience with a bare-metal resto. To me, it looks like this had some rust corrected in the outer visible layer of sheet metal, but they left a lot of layers of rusty metal underneath in the fenders and rockers.
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Well, yea, but at least they brushed some paint on the inner panels. Well, those that were visible anyways. (BaT won't let me link to photos on its site. But look at #314/372 to see what I mean).
 
complete resto by the Werk Shop cost some serious coin ... with the high 1st day bidding, perhaps it sets a new high water mark for a 2800cs. i have not looked at the pics except the opening pic.
 
I know I’m supposed to love the werkshop but I’ve yet to be impressed with the finish work on some of the e9’s they have done. This is relative to what newer shops are doing, including our friends at Oldenzaal.
 
Markos said:
I know I’m supposed to love the werkshop but I’ve yet to be impressed with the finish work on some of the e9’s they have done.
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The "in process" photos posted in this car's auction (specifically #300 - 322) do not inspire confidence. They reflect the kind of work environment you might find in a small-scale shop, but not what I would expect from a BMW specialist.

If I were bidding on this car, I would ask how long ago the restoration was done. E.g., was it completed so recently that the untreated areas beneath the patches have not had time to bubble through to the surface? Or was it long enough ago that a buyer can have confidence that the corrosion has been stabilized?
 
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jmackro said:
If I were bidding on this car, I would ask how long ago the restoration was done. E.g., was it completed so recently that the untreated areas beneath the patches have not had time to bubble through to the surface? Or was it long enough ago that a buyer can have confidence that the corrosion has been stabilized?
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"The car was purchased by the seller in 2008 and was restored and modified between 2015 and 2017 at The Werk Shop in Libertyville, Illinois."

I would think 10 years would be enough time for any poorly done work to bubble to the surface.
 
I had heard that the Werkshop did high quality work. This is a pretty car but far from what I would expect a high dollar build to look like after 10 years. Much of the chrome is bad and the underside is very poorly detailed. It's just not what I would have expected. Even the interior leather work is just fair.
 
I could name 15 things that speaks to their lack of attention to detail. EEC sticker on a US car, orange parts stickers were never on a 2800CS, and more but they are easy fixes. Surprised seller hasn't commented on my model year comment. When I added it to the Registry in 2014 he was willing to take $20,000 before restoration.
 
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if they are working to a condition 1, their cost is exorbitant but there is attention to detail - significantly higher. i studied the pics of the polaris bat 2 that they did for coupeguy - i noticed some things that weren't correct and @Gerrit reviewed it and found more things ... and to their credit, they fixed it. i am sure the new owner will find a few things, but i suspect he will be happy with bat2 002. but you have to think, when you are working on a 2800cs or a 3.0cs, the budget is going to be lower ... and they have to work to what the client is giving them to spend. not making excuses for Oldenzaal or the Werk Shop or giving them a pass ... but there are somethings they shouldn't let slide ... and we should speak up to what we see + comment. these are the things that teach others how to improve their cars (correctly).
 
This seller made a mistake by taking most of the exterior photos in tree branch shadows and shade. That is to the seller's detriment if this is as good of a paint job as it appears. Dude should show off the Baikal better. Quantity of photos doesn't compensate for poor quality.

The seller of my car in April 2024 made the same mistake, which worked out in my favor as I think the bidding was less competitive from the poor presentation.
 
I’ll second the photos comment. It’s clear that 1600veloce (BaT seller), who sold the Malaga car and many others (check out the just closed auction on a Maserati Vignale Spyder - beautiful!) knows how to take photos that command top dollar. The current bidder on the 2800 was the guy battling me to the bitter end on my auction, and I suspect both of us were partly swayed by well-done photos. Knowing what I know now I would have asked for more pictures but I had the opportunity to see the car in person which was critical.
It’s always a bit hard when the cost to restore might be the same between a 2800 and 3.0Cs and 3.0 CSi and yet the final product has somewhat of a different value between them. This is not a game to enter into if your goal is flipping cars, but my neighbor (who is a big Maserati guy) suggested to me that if I end up spending more and more of my free time working on cars in the driveway, at a certain point I may want to consider ones that will give more return for the time input. He’s not wrong, but I enjoy the E9 and the MGA and the stakes on both of those seem tolerable.
 
rsporsche said:
when you are working on a 2800cs or a 3.0cs, the budget is going to be lower ... and they have to work to what the client is giving them to spend.
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Well, that's a good point. Werkshop may have recommended removing the exterior panels so that the inner body could be media blasted and rust treated, and the owner may have said "nah". Ditto for disassembling, blasting and painting/powder coating the suspension. The seller does say in the BaT comments section: "The car was intentionally built to be a world-class, turn-key, performance driver – not an immobile concours trailer queen".
 
BAT auctions are very entertaining. Especially over the last 2 hours or so before the scheduled end. In this case, man, what a commitment, so early! I too have looked at last bidders history...perhaps he is in a hurry! Wants this done. I don't know. For many of us, every dollar matters. OK, perhaps not when our Coupes need attention, but in an auction, I am accustomed to watching a gradual ladder of escalating bids until someone drops out. This one is "must watch" material. Does seem to be nicely done. Impressed by startup, video, very strong performance from those Webers, cold.
 
e9Leveque said:
I’ll second the photos comment. It’s clear that 1600veloce (BaT seller), who sold the Malaga car and many others (check out the just closed auction on a Maserati Vignale Spyder - beautiful!) knows how to take photos that command top dollar. The current bidder on the 2800 was the guy battling me to the bitter end on my auction, and I suspect both of us were partly swayed by well-done photos. Knowing what I know now I would have asked for more pictures but I had the opportunity to see the car in person which was critical.
It’s always a bit hard when the cost to restore might be the same between a 2800 and 3.0Cs and 3.0 CSi and yet the final product has somewhat of a different value between them. This is not a game to enter into if your goal is flipping cars, but my neighbor (who is a big Maserati guy) suggested to me that if I end up spending more and more of my free time working on cars in the driveway, at a certain point I may want to consider ones that will give more return for the time input. He’s not wrong, but I enjoy the E9 and the MGA and the stakes on both of those seem tolerable.
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I know exactly what Francis is suggesting. There is a tipping point. But you are so very close, I would just take that advice, save it, and use it on someone else that you notice is heading into the "deep end", because it is all so recognizable, after the fact. Lesson learned only by going there.
 
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