not so sure - those seats have been recovered with new Alpina fabric and new foam - they are too puffy to be original and the fabric isn't faded / discolored. when they sourced the new fabric they probably sourced the horizontal badge.
'73 CSi Alpina B2 FS at Legendary
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Clubsport_CSi
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That is what I assume - I bought four of these badges recently, they are reproduced in Poland. Also the fabric is well available. I thought about having my 302s made in this look - but still struggle as in my opinion these parts started to be used by Alpina only later.
Clubsport_CSi
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Alpina parts are one thing. Alpina engines are a whole separate issue.
Very few Alpina engines were made. 57 I believe? As HB Chris has noted- "An Alpina from the factory will have a four digit number stamped on block and head."
There is also a B2 stamped on the block.
The ad is clear- it says that this car has an Alpina head. There is no picture of any of the three stampings required to show that this is an actual B2 engine either as a head or a block.
I think the seller should get down there with a boroscope and take some pictures if he wants top Alpina B2 money.
And 1973 Alpina wheels have 5 holes- not 10...
Very few Alpina engines were made. 57 I believe? As HB Chris has noted- "An Alpina from the factory will have a four digit number stamped on block and head."
There is also a B2 stamped on the block.
The ad is clear- it says that this car has an Alpina head. There is no picture of any of the three stampings required to show that this is an actual B2 engine either as a head or a block.
I think the seller should get down there with a boroscope and take some pictures if he wants top Alpina B2 money.
And 1973 Alpina wheels have 5 holes- not 10...
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The ad should say, the car identifies as an Alpina perhaps.
Not identifying the builder is insane, the Klaus video showed proudly VSR, if SFDon built mine (like he did for my e24 engine) I start with that.
Not just for credibility, to signal that there is place yo can go with a non-stock build if you need help.
Clubsport_CSi
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The situation on the wheels is quite clear or am I wrong? - no E9 should have ever been released by Alpina with the 16 inch wheels. These were definitely introduced with the E12/E24? I do not think there are any 16inch wheels to be found with a production date '73. I assume it starts around '78/'79? I do have the German ABE for the wheels, definitely the E9 is not listed. TÜV compared the arch weights of the E24 to get the paperwork done. I can check for the date of the ABE if I am with the documents next time.
Rouge
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Apart from the photos included in vintage test reports in AutoMotorSport or Sport Auto, I know of no "official" image of an E9 Alpina.
At the time, Alpina was more a racing car tuner and an accessory manufacturer selling special parts.
In their catalog, you won't find 16" rims or seats with the fabric that would later be used on E21s. It seems to me that the seller of the car offered by Légendary Motorcar does not claim that the Alpina preparation was made at the time. The title of the ad is ambiguous, as is the case with everything that passes through the hands of a marketing agent.
A part les photos incluses dans les comptes rendus d'essais d'époque dans AutoMotorSport ou Sport Auto je ne connais pas d'image "officiel" d'une E9 Alpina.
Alpina est a l'époque plutôt un préparateur d'auto de course et un accessoiriste vendeur de pièces spéciale.
Dans leur catalogue on ne trouve pas de jantes en 16" ni de siège avec le tissus qui sera plus tard utilisé sur les E21.
Il me semble que le vendeur de l'auto proposée par Légendary Motorcar ne prétends pas que la préparation Alpina a été faite à l'époque.
Le titre de l'annonce est ambiguë comme pour tous ce qui est passé entre les mains d'un agent marketing .
At the time, Alpina was more a racing car tuner and an accessory manufacturer selling special parts.
In their catalog, you won't find 16" rims or seats with the fabric that would later be used on E21s. It seems to me that the seller of the car offered by Légendary Motorcar does not claim that the Alpina preparation was made at the time. The title of the ad is ambiguous, as is the case with everything that passes through the hands of a marketing agent.
A part les photos incluses dans les comptes rendus d'essais d'époque dans AutoMotorSport ou Sport Auto je ne connais pas d'image "officiel" d'une E9 Alpina.
Alpina est a l'époque plutôt un préparateur d'auto de course et un accessoiriste vendeur de pièces spéciale.
Dans leur catalogue on ne trouve pas de jantes en 16" ni de siège avec le tissus qui sera plus tard utilisé sur les E21.
Il me semble que le vendeur de l'auto proposée par Légendary Motorcar ne prétends pas que la préparation Alpina a été faite à l'époque.
Le titre de l'annonce est ambiguë comme pour tous ce qui est passé entre les mains d'un agent marketing .
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The B2 was offered by Alpina well into the late 70s so in principle some of that equipment could have been installed at that time. We are back at the question of the documentation.
I have photos of the documentation and of the Alpina engine stamps of my clients B2.
I also have photos of an original Alpina owned car that is at a shop I have been in recently in Europe.
Simply said a car could be bought by an individual and driven for some years and then be taken in for the Alpina “treatment”.
From a shift knob to a B2 engine could be done.
That is how later Alpina 16” wheels ended up on B2 coupes.
Not unlike Dinan’s approach.
As Gerrit says- unless there is documentation and engine stamps- what you have is an Alpina Tribute car.
An Alpina car with verified B2 engine stamps and documentation in excellent condition recently transacted near $200k.
I also have photos of an original Alpina owned car that is at a shop I have been in recently in Europe.
Simply said a car could be bought by an individual and driven for some years and then be taken in for the Alpina “treatment”.
From a shift knob to a B2 engine could be done.
That is how later Alpina 16” wheels ended up on B2 coupes.
Not unlike Dinan’s approach.
As Gerrit says- unless there is documentation and engine stamps- what you have is an Alpina Tribute car.
An Alpina car with verified B2 engine stamps and documentation in excellent condition recently transacted near $200k.
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Rouge
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Clearly. No other alternative. If not, it's a tribute to Alpina
This coupe reminds me of the BAT auction in 2023 for a Fjord b2s.
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eastsideM3
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Looks like a very nicely restored e9. As said though on the early cars the documentation is as important as the car itself. There are heads, engines and parts floating around that people are building cars from and claiming they are authentic Alpina cars. This car is prepared very similarly to the car that sold on BAT.
My comments are not meant to slam the car because as said it’s very nice, but a documented car would show all the specifics of the cars construction not just the engine and its numbers.
The interior seat fabric (should be the canvas type), steering wheel, shift knob, wheels, valve cover, air box, just for starters are all wrong or not for the period. There are no aux gauges which would have definitely been installed. Obviously things like the exhaust are not correct Looks like stock sway bars. What are the numbers on the Webers? Alpina specifically jetted them for their engines for more higher end performance. You kind of have to know the whole story, and perhaps the car was at Alpina and does have build sheets and it was restored incorrectly but more likely just a nicely built Alpina “look” E9
My comments are not meant to slam the car because as said it’s very nice, but a documented car would show all the specifics of the cars construction not just the engine and its numbers.
The interior seat fabric (should be the canvas type), steering wheel, shift knob, wheels, valve cover, air box, just for starters are all wrong or not for the period. There are no aux gauges which would have definitely been installed. Obviously things like the exhaust are not correct Looks like stock sway bars. What are the numbers on the Webers? Alpina specifically jetted them for their engines for more higher end performance. You kind of have to know the whole story, and perhaps the car was at Alpina and does have build sheets and it was restored incorrectly but more likely just a nicely built Alpina “look” E9