Audio tweeter placement

Another "for" that not the size but technology makes the difference. ;-)
 
Breiti said:
I don't understand, why you guys need tweeters and any audio stuff as well.

Everytime I drive my classic, I enjoy the smell, the noise, the exhaust sound, the aspiration sound....

Why should I cover that with "modern music" ?
If I like to listen music, I hear it as my dad hear it when he drove such cars when he was young. The squeaking, rasping mono.:cool:

Maybe you need 1 of 3 muffler a straightpipe? o_O

B.t.w. respect top the solution from @rsporsche with the speaker in the ashtray. :love:


Breiti
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Well, that's the whole story: Either you don't touch anyting in your perfectly, as we say in France "d'origine" car, and store it under a blanket and never drive it.... Or do some small modifications that match your personal tastes, and enjoy driving your coupe with your preferred music, or phone calls via bluetooth, or whatever makes you happy. I indeed can listen to that G-ddam in-line 6 roaring... but after an hour or so, some nice music with good speakers is also appreciated. Especially on long trips. I am one of those trying to install as much technology in my coupe, as long as it remains "invisible". So I agree, those tweeters in the ash trays (which a give a sh*t being a non-smoker), is pure art.
 
I tend to agree with Arde and Breiti.. the car sound is really all you need. I suppose if you were taking a long road trip, then maybe some music would be nice, but most of us, I suspect, do not drive our cars for hours long trips.

If you really want to get great sound, then work out a "reasonable" placement of main speakers, sub woofer, and tweeters (these should be forward and angled slightly inwards, but doing them in the ashtray is an interesting idea. Then, and this is the important part, use an all digital source and implement a multi way digital crossover and equalization system. These can be done DIY using a device like a MiniDSP, or some other commercialized/packaged versions of that system. One I am familiar with is known as Dirac Live. With this system you will calibrate the sound using a microphone in the car, probably located between the driver and the passenger at ear height. The system will do an audio sweep, and then generate a set of digital filter coefficients to implement a filter inthe DSP that will equalize the audio, so the bass, mid and treble will have the desired behavior, despite the weird acoustics of the car. I have this at home (it is part of my NAD C658 digital streamer), and it works wonders for any room...
 
Or you can just tote a portable speaker along. I have one that I use for all my cars. Just move it from one to the next. I like my tunes.
 
ScottAndrews said:
I tend to agree with Arde and Breiti.. the car sound is really all you need. I suppose if you were taking a long road trip, then maybe some music would be nice, but most of us, I suspect, do not drive our cars for hours long trips.

If you really want to get great sound, then work out a "reasonable" placement of main speakers, sub woofer, and tweeters (these should be forward and angled slightly inwards, but doing them in the ashtray is an interesting idea. Then, and this is the important part, use an all digital source and implement a multi way digital crossover and equalization system. These can be done DIY using a device like a MiniDSP, or some other commercialized/packaged versions of that system. One I am familiar with is known as Dirac Live. With this system you will calibrate the sound using a microphone in the car, probably located between the driver and the passenger at ear height. The system will do an audio sweep, and then generate a set of digital filter coefficients to implement a filter inthe DSP that will equalize the audio, so the bass, mid and treble will have the desired behavior, despite the weird acoustics of the car. I have this at home (it is part of my NAD C658 digital streamer), and it works wonders for any room...
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I understand and respect your point of view. I just wish that people in vintage cars forums would just respect others with different points of view. I have the same problem with my membership in a French Peugeot 504 coupé V6 forum : I also commented on some little installations I did for myself... and immediately those "keep it original ayatolas" started shouting (almost) at me. And you know how French can be rude... (I am French !!).
I installed a very discrete back up camera, a dash cam, roller seat belts at the back... and so on... I find it so helpful..
So most of the time I love reading what others do, but I try not to share what I do (which is a shame, I think)... Now, regarding the speakers and audio system, I know I will never make an auditorium out of my e9 coupe. But I have done a great deal of acoustic insulation, bought a nice set of Focal woofers and speakers (made in France, at least not in China), and I have a really good sound.
Because as we all commented before, we all love listening to the engine melody.. But when I am driving my wife and kids to the nearest beach around, it's a 3 hours drive one way.... and some music, the news or the traffic info is more than welcome. btw, my kids already asked me to install a usb port so they can recharge their cell phones !!! ;-)
I don't drive my coupe only short distances, but sometimes for the whole weekend. And funny enough, I prefer driving my Peugeot 504 coupe when going downtown Paris, or even shopping, simply because I installed a centralized locking that can also pop-up the rear hood...!!! Handy when you have busy hands with the groceries.... (ahhh...; maybe I shouldn't have said this.... I can already feel the disapproving sights of many ....)
Just joking..... Enjoy your coupes, and safe drives!!!
 
i like to listen to music while driving ... i also love to hear the sound of the engine, but music makes me want to add to the soundtrack with engine noise. that said, i really don't like traditional radio - i listen to sirius xm in my DD or playlists from itunes. i have focal speakers for my coupe with separate tweeters (front + rear) - they sound great. i am probably going to go a route similar to what @adawil2002 did that uses the stock radio in its normal place but everything that you use is a different box (Out of Sight Audio - mk 2) in the glovebox or under the rear seat to include phone and music. more investigation required. maybe the retrosound europa
 
Beaudave said:
..I have the same problem with my membership in a French Peugeot 504 coupé V6 forum : I also commented on some little installations I did for myself... and immediately those "keep it original ayatolas" started shouting (almost) at me. And you know how French can be rude... (I am French !!).
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A 504 Coupe! That is a beautiful car! I am with the Ayatollahs :), Pinifarina may issue a fatwah to protect that patrimony of art.
Now if you owned the Sedan you could do anything you want, as the Argentine version of that car is the gold standard :).
 
I have a very old boat. It was built in 1929, and has had many hands on her over the past 96 years. When I restored her (see Wooden Boat 232) I took pains to remove 90% of the offending crap that folks had added. I also rebuilt most of the interior "furniture", lockers and cabinets. I did this as close to the original style as I could with deference toward modern usage and materials. So the style "ayatollahs" had their say...,That said, beneath the covers, she is a much more modern boat. I rewired her from stem to stern using modern materials and techniques, and I added a great stereo system. But you would never see any of this if you were aboard. The WiFi system is discretely hidden, and the audio system outputs are via very high quality speakers embedded in old radio and antique speaker cabinets. SO yes, homage to originality makes sense, but a little cleverness allows you to have it both ways.

In addition, while it is not quite period correct, I installed a new Balupunkt stereo in my beloved 1980 Euro spec 635. This unit looks (mostly) like the original head unit, but it includes modern features, like bluetooth and hands free phone functions..
 
Here is the device I mentioned above. This takes analog, digital and bluetooth audio inputs. It then digitally filters them to create subwoofer, and main outputs. these then need to be amplified, a nd output to the speakers. The DSP also allows for tuning of the frequency band, to equalize the channels and eliminate resonances and dips caused by the listening space.

So, if you set this up in the car, you can then measure the car sound using the microphone, and automatically program the DSP to smooth things out.

I use a version of this in my home system, and the result is really remarkable.

 
I recently designed a mount for some tweeters in the factory 4x6 speaker hole for a customer car. Worked great
 

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