CSL style spoiler mounting question

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I purchased a replica fiberglass CSL trunk spoiler that is hollow and does not have any mounting hardware. I’m looking for ideas on how to mount it.
Does anyone have any pictures of how they mounted theirs or pictures of the mounts from an original one?
 

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I am in the same boat. My CS is being shipped to the painter next saturday and am hoping he has a suggestion. If he does I will post.
 
can i ask who made such spoilers? anybody that has a spoiler on their coupe ... did it have to be "rigged" to fasten it or did it come with mounting hardware?
 
Gents, I recently made enquiry to Chris Randall of Zaprace on behalf of someone who had bought theirs from him. He suggested double-sided tape and when I subsequently asked how this installation "works", he responded as follows:-
"The rear edge sticks to very rear edge of lid (vertical plane)the leading edge sticks to upper surface of lid ( horizontal plane )-saves drilling for pop rivets .
Trim first to suit the car and paint ;try first with some easily removable double tape and when you are all painted etc use the real thing "
Hope this is of some use ...at time of writing the Zaprace spoiler has not been fitted.

Cheers, Simon
 
...something else that Zaprace advised that you may need to be mindful of :-
"make sure there is a small gap under the extensions over the side wings so that when you push bootlid down beyond the final position to lock it, it does not keep hitting the paint in that area , before coming up slightly to its 'rest' position"

Good luck
 
The tape ideas sounds good except there is very little contact area on the spoiler.
Here is a poor picture of an original one I found on EBay of Germany. Unfortunately, I was outbid. You can see what looks like 5 blocks across the underside which I think are the mounts as well as the solid ends that hang over the quarters.
My body guys is thinking of fabricating metal mounts/brackets that match the contour of the trunk and attach them to the underside of the spoiler, then using fasteners through the trunk lid to attach to the mounts. I’m sure this will work buy I was hoping to see how others have done their mounts.
The other picture is from the Vintage at the Vineyards and Saratoga and I believe the owner is on here. Very nice install and I wish I had taken more pictures and time to inspect while I had the chance. Any chance you can offer some insight?
 

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That is Chuck's Agave coupe, he has three Phillips screws on underside of trunk that mount apparently into the middle of the spoiler so it has a bracket internally of some kind. At each end it has button head screws into some kind of speed nut that looks like a rivet.
 
Ideas

I think it might be possible to get some left over 2" thick structural foam, and cut it to fit snuggly into the underside of the spoiler. I'd do 4-5 pieces (2 edges of the trunk, middle, and 2 more). Leave plenty of extra foam sticking out. Then cut and shave/file the exposed bottom of the foam blocks to fit the contour of the trunk lid. When done, you would attach with silicon adhesive.

You can make a sanding block to mimic the contour of any part of the trunk lip with bondo, plaster, etc, and some saran wrap to protect the paint. Use that to make a matching male piece, and use this piece with coarse sandpaper as a sanding form.

There are probably much easier ways, but this is what popped into my head first when I read your post.

Here's another ****eyed idea. Get 2 cans of that expanding foam insulation. This is the stuff that expands Line the surface of the trunk with saran wrap (well, do the whole rear end with that wide plastic packaging stuff). Then with a friend or 2, dispense the foam into the spoiler and quickly press it onto the trunk. You'll have to let the extra foam expand out the ends that overhang the rear fenders. You could do this in several steps so the interior of the spoiler is filled and you get a smooth, consistent bottom surface that matches the trunk. Then attach with double sided tape or silicon adhesive. You might have to trim and sand a bit to get rid of any squeeze out, but it should give you a fairly rigid surface that matches the car. The only question I have is if the foam would stick to the underside of the spoiler very well. If in doubt, you could glass in a few tabs with holes so the foam more of a mechanical lock into the underside of the spoiler.

In fact, I think I'll try this last idea with a long skinny test form (triangular cardboard shipping box from Fedex). Dow makes an expanding foam that is suitable to use in the wet, is black, and can be used in place of mortar "Pond and Stone"

John
 
If you plan on trying to mold this first like bfeng suggest, shoe polish makes an excellent release agent and it's super cheap. I'd try it first on an out of sight area like under the front bumper.
 
Yet another hair brained idea. after you glue in foam blocks or fill, epoxy in a series of Nd magnets, and skim coat with a very thin layer of epoxy. A half dollar sized slug will lift 15 lbs so you might only need 4-6. This avoids holes and is removable for cleaning.
 
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I dunno

You don't want anything that'll degrade the foams composition as your relying on that foam as a gluing surface. I'd use the plastic wrap....
 
and if you don't thinkmof nuts yet, go buy some two part expanding structural foam. They use this stuff for skinned aircraft wings, filling rockers and A-pillar cavities on race cars,etc. That stuff should easily exceed the rigidity required as long as you have a lot on bonding surface. Plus it's water proof. Any minor imperfection are easily taken care of when you adhesive caulk it to the trunk. Dunno if you can tint it black or not.

uscomposites.com/foam.html
(4lb foam should be way strong enough, $22.50)
 
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Yup…that's my Agave e9. Spoiler pic is from our awesome coupe turnout at the Saratoga Vintage event.

Chris is right about the attachment.

Original spoilers have been NLA for sometime. My replica (actually 2) were sourced from a BMWCCA fellow in Germany directly to VSR, also with no mounting materials or instructions.

So the 1st huge obstacle and accomplishment was simply sourcing (I don't speak German) and obtaining the replicas. The 2nd issue being discussed here of attachment/horizontal height leveling and placement, is also not for the faint of heart.

Beyond the button head screws that terminate in a speed nut type rivet, there was good deal of material (lightweight wood framed with fiberglass) prep work on the underside of the hollow replica. My sense is that it helped to minimize contact with the trunk lid while correctly leveling it.

Of course, Mario and his paint/body wizard Steve at VSR did the good deed…so they are the best sources of how it was done and could be done.
 
Hi guys,

I have replica Motorsport rear spoilers with the rubber edge available soon, i have just given the 2 pre production prototypes to the bodyshop for trial fitting.


Watch this space


Mark
 
Hi guys,

I have replica Motorsport rear spoilers with the rubber edge available soon, i have just given the 2 pre production prototypes to the bodyshop for trial fitting.


Watch this space


Mark

Mark
Can you post pictures of your prototype spoilers?
thanks
Jon
 
Mounting without holes

Mark
Can you post pictures of your prototype spoilers?
thanks
Jon
For me an important consideration is mounting the rear spoiler without making holes in the trunk lid (as the original part requires). That seems to be a primary challenge.

The other thing for me is some concern about the weight of the original (every coupe I've seen w the heavy, original msport spoiler had issues with the trunk lid not staying open). but this might be easily resolved with an 'adjustment' of the torsion spring. For a CSL, the weight of yhe original style spoiler might exacerbate failures around the trunk lid latch.
 
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