dbower's 3.0S on BaT

hope it brings home a high number Don ... this car deserves it. just left a nice comment about seller / car on BaT
 
I thought I spent too much time on BaT, but I think some of you guys have me beat. ;)

I am humbled (and a little intimidated) by all the positive comments -- about the car and me. Pressure is on. Let's hope the stock market has somebody in the mood to buy an excellent E3.

Don
 
Don, we all know your work and this car is a perfect example. Off to comment on your auction.
 
I thought I spent too much time on BaT, but I think some of you guys have me beat. ;)

I am humbled (and a little intimidated) by all the positive comments -- about the car and me. Pressure is on. Let's hope the stock market has somebody in the mood to buy an excellent E3.

Don
The e9 (e3) mafia cuts both ways. ;)
Seriously, a georgeus 3.0s. Good Luck Don. I expect it will do quite well.
 
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Just remember, people who appear to be troublemakers might actually be buyers. GLWS.
 
So to close the loop on this episode ... final offer was $28,500, well below my reserve. E3 values are a funny thing. As so many others have noted, the market just does not seem to recognize the value proposition here. We owners have been waiting a long time for that to turn around. I guess we'll wait some more.

I am sincerely humbled and gratified by the kind comments that so many here offered. You are what makes this hobby what it is.

Here are the twins.

Don

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WOW. That's a frustrating situation. I'm shocked it didn't get up to $40k+. People just don't really know enough about these and the culture doesn't put them out there. I have such a hard time finding anything e3 related on youtube for inspiration...Sorry to see this happen; for you and the rest of us e3 lovers..
 
I will wear a black arm band for a month. As I said in my BaT comment, "I am stunned by this car." And never imagined the bidding would end this low.

Here's a contrarian point of view. As I grow older, I will be 85 in October, my wife and I both require air conditioning. And I only buy automatic Bavarias now because she can no longer drive stick shift. The conventional wisdom on this platform for years has been, air conditioning and an automatic will cut the sale price. Six years ago I purchased Lilli, an air conditioned, automatic 2002 from JMinPDX. An extraordinarially well preserved, all original car with 67,000 miles on the odo. I made some tasteful, cosmentic, "original" improvments including removing the diving boards.

But much to my surprise I soon realized no 2002 came with power steering. And Karen needs power steering. I tried everything, to no avail. So in July of 2023 I put Lilli up for sale on BaT. The high bid for Don's bavaria is where I set my reserve.

Surprise, our automtic, air conditioned 2002 sold for $34,500.

I rest my case. https://bringatrailer.com/bmw/2002/
 
Well if you click on my link above you will have to scroll down a couple of screens to see Lilli and her auction. I remember about 136 comments, many of them from members here. A couple were so moving I had tears in my eyes. I guess it's an aging thing.

You can email me [email protected] and I can send you the auction.
 
I was surprised at the outcome of this auction. If I had to guess which E3, Don's or mine that I sold last year, would bring the higher hammer price there would be no doubt in my mind that Don's would have been my guess. After seeing the unexpected result on Don's beautiful E3 today, I had to step back to see if I could make some sense out of it. Below is my analysis of the factors that may have been involved in Don's car not bidding to the kind of number I was anticipating.

1. Not a Bavaria I don't think a big part of the potential buyer pool for E3's in the US is familiar with ANY E3 outside of the Bavaria. They haven't heard of or know anything about a 3.0s. It's a Bavaria that they know of, have seen, and lust after. Maybe somewhat like a potential German E3 buyer coming across a Bavaria for sale and not being at all interested in it. Here's a nice 3.0si for sale near me. $18,800. Seems low to me even with the big bumpers and automatic. I wonder if it would be higher if it was a Bavaria.

2. No AC AC has almost become a requirement for a collector car. Collector car activities (shows, cruises, etc.) happen in the summer. It's not as much fun to enjoy your collector car when it is hot and humid and you don't have AC.

3. Velour Interior I love the velour interior in Don't car and understand it is a sign of a high end, comfortable interior in Europe. Not everyone thinks the same, here however. I think that in the US, leather is the sign of a deluxe interior, more so than velour. The two tone of Don's may also be a little off putting to some. I think most buyers in the US would choose the blue leather interior in the 3.0si linked to above over a velour interior.

4. The listing There is an old saying that "it's easy to buy a car...lots of work to sell one". I think this is absolutely true. It's the reason most people trade in their old car when buying a new one knowing that they are losing money by doing so. IMHO, BaT is by far the best place to sell a collector car. There is no other venue that will get more "eyes" on your collector car offering. With this said, it is still super important that every effort is made to market your car. Just listing it on BaT does not guarantee you top dollar. Everything has to be done carefully and completely to get the desired results. I'll list a few points here that I think could have been done differently that may have helped.

Pictures You need lots of GOOD pictures. 100 minimum, 150 preferred. Each one needs to be taken with care. I have waited days at times to have the light just right and within the right day, the time that flatters the car the most. Finding the best backdrops is also important. Not too busy or distracting. Good close ups of features and flaws. If you are not comfortable that you are taking high quality pictures, get a buddy that is or hire a pro. Cell phones are fine, but don't shoot overall pictures of the car at the default setting. The default is semi wide angle and distorts the car in the picture. Backup and crank in a little telephoto. Don't settle for good enough.

Video Three videos are mandatory. Cold start, drive, and walk around. If you aren't comfortable with iMovie or some other ap that will allow you to edit clips and stitch clips together find a friend that is. Cold start seems a little silly to me, but if it isn't there it will probably be asked for. The walk around should probably be done once with the car closed up and another with the car completely opened up. The videos need to be short enough to keep the viewers attention but long enough so that the viewer gets a good idea of the car overall. 1 1/2 minutes for the car opened up one, and 30-45 seconds for the car closed. No talking is necessary. The driving one is the most important. It's a great opportunity to market the car. Video from both inside and outside the car is mandatory. It's impossible to take a good driving video without a helper. For the in car portion, I put the helper in the middle of the back seat with the camera/phone with some wide angle cranked in. This gives a great view out the windshield and captures the driver, shifting, instruments, winding it up, etc. For outside the car video, capture the car in motion, around curves, accelerating, the exhaust note, etc.

During the auction It's important to control the pace and tone of the auction over the 7 days. Feed in new information, pictures and videos every day during the auction. Be sure to cover everything about the car that BaT leaves out in their cookie cutter write up. Completely answer questions. Give viewers reasons to continue to come back to the auction. Promote discussion.

I think most here will agree that Don's car did not do the number it should have. What other factors contributed to this?
 
I was surprised at the outcome of this auction. If I had to guess which E3, Don's or mine that I sold last year, would bring the higher hammer price there would be no doubt in my mind that Don's would have been my guess. After seeing the unexpected result on Don's beautiful E3 today, I had to step back to see if I could make some sense out of it. Below is my analysis of the factors that may have been involved in Don's car not bidding to the kind of number I was anticipating.

1. Not a Bavaria I don't think a big part of the potential buyer pool for E3's in the US is familiar with ANY E3 outside of the Bavaria. They haven't heard of or know anything about a 3.0s. It's a Bavaria that they know of, have seen, and lust after. Maybe somewhat like a potential German E3 buyer coming across a Bavaria for sale and not being at all interested in it. Here's a nice 3.0si for sale near me. $18,800. Seems low to me even with the big bumpers and automatic. I wonder if it would be higher if it was a Bavaria.

2. No AC AC has almost become a requirement for a collector car. Collector car activities (shows, cruises, etc.) happen in the summer. It's not as much fun to enjoy your collector car when it is hot and humid and you don't have AC.

3. Velour Interior I love the velour interior in Don't car and understand it is a sign of a high end, comfortable interior in Europe. Not everyone thinks the same, here however. I think that in the US, leather is the sign of a deluxe interior, more so than velour. The two tone of Don's may also be a little off putting to some. I think most buyers in the US would choose the blue leather interior in the 3.0si linked to above over a velour interior.

4. The listing There is an old saying that "it's easy to buy a car...lots of work to sell one". I think this is absolutely true. It's the reason most people trade in their old car when buying a new one knowing that they are losing money by doing so. IMHO, BaT is by far the best place to sell a collector car. There is no other venue that will get more "eyes" on your collector car offering. With this said, it is still super important that every effort is made to market your car. Just listing it on BaT does not guarantee you top dollar. Everything has to be done carefully and completely to get the desired results. I'll list a few points here that I think could have been done differently that may have helped.

Pictures You need lots of GOOD pictures. 100 minimum, 150 preferred. Each one needs to be taken with care. I have waited days at times to have the light just right and within the right day, the time that flatters the car the most. Finding the best backdrops is also important. Not too busy or distracting. Good close ups of features and flaws. If you are not comfortable that you are taking high quality pictures, get a buddy that is or hire a pro. Cell phones are fine, but don't shoot overall pictures of the car at the default setting. The default is semi wide angle and distorts the car in the picture. Backup and crank in a little telephoto. Don't settle for good enough.

Video Three videos are mandatory. Cold start, drive, and walk around. If you aren't comfortable with iMovie or some other ap that will allow you to edit clips and stitch clips together find a friend that is. Cold start seems a little silly to me, but if it isn't there it will probably be asked for. The walk around should probably be done once with the car closed up and another with the car completely opened up. The videos need to be short enough to keep the viewers attention but long enough so that the viewer gets a good idea of the car overall. 1 1/2 minutes for the car opened up one, and 30-45 seconds for the car closed. No talking is necessary. The driving one is the most important. It's a great opportunity to market the car. Video from both inside and outside the car is mandatory. It's impossible to take a good driving video without a helper. For the in car portion, I put the helper in the middle of the back seat with the camera/phone with some wide angle cranked in. This gives a great view out the windshield and captures the driver, shifting, instruments, winding it up, etc. For outside the car video, capture the car in motion, around curves, accelerating, the exhaust note, etc.

During the auction It's important to control the pace and tone of the auction over the 7 days. Feed in new information, pictures and videos every day during the auction. Be sure to cover everything about the car that BaT leaves out in their cookie cutter write up. Completely answer questions. Give viewers reasons to continue to come back to the auction. Promote discussion.

I think most here will agree that Don's car did not do the number it should have. What other factors contributed to this?
Dick:

All good points. I also wondered if no sunroof may have been a deduct. For me, it is an add, because of the added rust potential that we all know too well. And I never use the sunroofs on my cars that have them, but I know many folks do.

I have offered the car to the high bidder at my reserve price. Waiting on his response. If we don't work it out, I'll likely just keep the car until the right buyer comes along.

And for those of you who wondered, yes, my wife suspects I set this up to work out this way all along. ;-)
 
I was surprised at the outcome of this auction. If I had to guess which E3, Don's or mine that I sold last year, would bring the higher hammer price there would be no doubt in my mind that Don's would have been my guess. After seeing the unexpected result on Don's beautiful E3 today, I had to step back to see if I could make some sense out of it. Below is my analysis of the factors that may have been involved in Don's car not bidding to the kind of number I was anticipating.

1. Not a Bavaria I don't think a big part of the potential buyer pool for E3's in the US is familiar with ANY E3 outside of the Bavaria. They haven't heard of or know anything about a 3.0s. It's a Bavaria that they know of, have seen, and lust after. Maybe somewhat like a potential German E3 buyer coming across a Bavaria for sale and not being at all interested in it. Here's a nice 3.0si for sale near me. $18,800. Seems low to me even with the big bumpers and automatic. I wonder if it would be higher if it was a Bavaria.

2. No AC AC has almost become a requirement for a collector car. Collector car activities (shows, cruises, etc.) happen in the summer. It's not as much fun to enjoy your collector car when it is hot and humid and you don't have AC.

3. Velour Interior I love the velour interior in Don't car and understand it is a sign of a high end, comfortable interior in Europe. Not everyone thinks the same, here however. I think that in the US, leather is the sign of a deluxe interior, more so than velour. The two tone of Don's may also be a little off putting to some. I think most buyers in the US would choose the blue leather interior in the 3.0si linked to above over a velour interior.

4. The listing There is an old saying that "it's easy to buy a car...lots of work to sell one". I think this is absolutely true. It's the reason most people trade in their old car when buying a new one knowing that they are losing money by doing so. IMHO, BaT is by far the best place to sell a collector car. There is no other venue that will get more "eyes" on your collector car offering. With this said, it is still super important that every effort is made to market your car. Just listing it on BaT does not guarantee you top dollar. Everything has to be done carefully and completely to get the desired results. I'll list a few points here that I think could have been done differently that may have helped.

Pictures You need lots of GOOD pictures. 100 minimum, 150 preferred. Each one needs to be taken with care. I have waited days at times to have the light just right and within the right day, the time that flatters the car the most. Finding the best backdrops is also important. Not too busy or distracting. Good close ups of features and flaws. If you are not comfortable that you are taking high quality pictures, get a buddy that is or hire a pro. Cell phones are fine, but don't shoot overall pictures of the car at the default setting. The default is semi wide angle and distorts the car in the picture. Backup and crank in a little telephoto. Don't settle for good enough.

Video Three videos are mandatory. Cold start, drive, and walk around. If you aren't comfortable with iMovie or some other ap that will allow you to edit clips and stitch clips together find a friend that is. Cold start seems a little silly to me, but if it isn't there it will probably be asked for. The walk around should probably be done once with the car closed up and another with the car completely opened up. The videos need to be short enough to keep the viewers attention but long enough so that the viewer gets a good idea of the car overall. 1 1/2 minutes for the car opened up one, and 30-45 seconds for the car closed. No talking is necessary. The driving one is the most important. It's a great opportunity to market the car. Video from both inside and outside the car is mandatory. It's impossible to take a good driving video without a helper. For the in car portion, I put the helper in the middle of the back seat with the camera/phone with some wide angle cranked in. This gives a great view out the windshield and captures the driver, shifting, instruments, winding it up, etc. For outside the car video, capture the car in motion, around curves, accelerating, the exhaust note, etc.

During the auction It's important to control the pace and tone of the auction over the 7 days. Feed in new information, pictures and videos every day during the auction. Be sure to cover everything about the car that BaT leaves out in their cookie cutter write up. Completely answer questions. Give viewers reasons to continue to come back to the auction. Promote discussion.

I think most here will agree that Don's car did not do the number it should have. What other factors contributed to this?
You have covered my mantra to sell a car.
 
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