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This was spotted at the import docks in NJ.
Curious if anyone is familiar with it?

Thank you,
-Chris

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To better clarify -
If you see this car come up for sale in the future, please be cautious as it does not appear to be an authentic CSL.

Thank you,
-Chris
 
Bat fender splitter, power windows, fiber rear bumper, hoop spoiler and CSL stripes and fender extensions. But it has triple side drafts and it looks like a km speedo.

CSL or a homage? Did you get the VIN? Nice car in any event.
 
So you saw a car on a dock, and just let yourself in to take pictures and even opened the hood? Brass balls.
 
BuzzBomb said:
So you saw a car on a dock, and just let yourself in to take pictures and even opened the hood? Brass balls.
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Have a network of informants in the ports? Don has one for engines at wreckers. It may be the same network... I like that job, where do I sign up?
 
ChristopherL said:
There are discrepancies with the VIN & VIN plaque.

-Chris
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I'm not implying that there is anything wrong with the car in question. It doesn't look like a CSL but even I could spot that as an E9 novice. It looks like a well done tribute car though.

For what it's worth, over the last 4 years there has been a federal crackdown on VIN fraud on imports. See that white D90 in the background? That vehicle in particular is a major target. They have been removed from the hands of the owners, even those who unknowingly purchased them from a broker. Japanese imports including many Nissan Skylines have been another target. Cars have been crushed in the process.


http://jalopnik.com/why-are-the-feds-obsessed-with-seizing-these-peoples-ol-1672381729

Generally, this is focused on individuals using old vins to import cars under 25 years. This isn't a problem for E9's.
 
Good point Markos - and be extra careful if you're buying a 67 Mini - same thing has been happening.

James
 
jamesw said:
Good point Markos - and be extra careful if you're buying a 67 Mini - same thing has been happening.

James
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Funny, looking at those photos I'm counting 5 Rover D90's. A white one, a copper one, a black one, a green one, and the ambulance. I can see why Homeland Security is laying down the hammer.
 
BuzzBomb said:
So you saw a car on a dock, and just let yourself in to take pictures and even opened the hood? Brass balls.
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This isn't CSI Miami or whatever "Homeland Security" hit TV show is on History Channel now - there's no malicious intent here, no subversive plot, and no "baddies" hiding behind that shipping container with black masks.

...and no, I was not in the port, I did not open the car, nor did I take the photos. They were passed on to me by another individual who saw the car, and was there for legitimate business. A requisite for being granted access to the customs section of the port.


I have a photo of the VIN plaque.
It is stamped BMW 3.0CSL - legitimately, just like that.
The VIN is a 220 VIN.

...but hey, maybe its a rare pre-pre-production CSL that BMW never meant to let slip out of it's secret storage facility... (ooops, sorry, we're back to fictitious TV show plots again!) ;)

-Chris
 
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Markos said:
See that white D90 in the background? That vehicle in particular is a major target. They have been removed from the hands of the owners, even those who unknowingly purchased them from a broker.
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1) Most of, if not 100%, of those "removed" from owners hands were actually Defender 110's - the 4 door version. Not D90's - the 2 door version

2) Most of, if not more than 75% of those, have been returned. Our faithful US border security/ATF failed to take into consideration that Land Rover recycles VIN numbers. So when they punch in a VIN, if only using the last 7 or 8 characters like BMW does - they can actually get a MODERN vehicle identity instead of the correct identity if the whole VIN is checked. This was taken to court, pro-bono, and is how it was proven that most of those D110's were actually NOT illegal.

Take into consideration, on top of that, I can buy a new galvanized Rover D110 frame, to replace the rusted/non-galvanized frames they were originally built with (a common practice), and then what? Is my D110 illegal because the frame isn't stamped? Is it now a 2014 version making it illegal in the US? (Rhetorical question - but one of the many issues ATF/Customs failed to consider in their "crusade" against the D110's)

-Chris
 
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ChristopherL said:
.. They were passed on to me by another individual who saw the car, and was there for legitimate business. A requisite for being granted access to the customs section of the port.

I have a photo of the VIN plaque.
It is stamped BMW 3.0CSL - legitimately, just like that.
The VIN is a 220 VIN.

-Chris
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Either a mole or a drone work for these things.

Will they confiscate just fake VINs or also good VINs stamped as CSLs when they are not?
Do these cars go to auction?
 
ChristopherL said:
I have a photo of the VIN plaque.
It is stamped BMW 3.0CSL - legitimately, just like that.
The VIN is a 220 VIN.

-Chris
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Can you post that picture of the VIN? CSLs were not stamped "BMW 3.0CSL". The plates were painted "BMW 3.0 CS", and CSL models are defined by the VIN itself. If your picture reads as you say, it's not real. Or the VIN plate isn't original.
 
ChristopherL said:
1) Most of, if not 100%, of those "removed" from owners hands were actually Defender 110's - the 4 door version. Not D90's - the 2 door version

2) Most of, if not more than 75% of those, have been returned. Our faithful US border security/ATF failed to take into consideration that Land Rover recycles VIN numbers. So when they punch in a VIN, if only using the last 7 or 8 characters like BMW does - they can actually get a MODERN vehicle identity instead of the correct identity if the whole VIN is checked. This was taken to court, pro-bono, and is how it was proven that most of those D110's were actually NOT illegal.

Take into consideration, on top of that, I can buy a new galvanized Rover D110 frame, to replace the rusted/non-galvanized frames they were originally built with (a common practice), and then what? Is my D110 illegal because the frame isn't stamped? Is it now a 2014 version making it illegal in the US? (Rhetorical question - but one of the many issues ATF/Customs failed to consider in their "crusade" against the D110's)

-Chris
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Thanks for the context. I haven't followed the outcome. I'm not a river junkie so I use D90 for two door and 4 door models. Incorrect I know but I don't discriminate.
 
BuzzBomb said:
Can you post that picture of the VIN? CSLs were not stamped "BMW 3.0CSL". The plates were painted "BMW 3.0 CS", and CSL models are defined by the VIN itself. If your picture reads as you say, it's not real. Or the VIN plate isn't original.
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No, I will not post the photo of the VIN plaque. Not without knowing if the car is being imported for resale, or by someone who just wanted a CSL tribute and knows what they've bought.

Weren't you opposed to the photos in the first place? Now you want the salacious details and "dirty pictures"? I think there is a website for those if that's what you're after... www.TMZ.com or something like that? ;)

-Chris
 
An observation...

Was just looking at the engine pic of this car... I noticed that the brake booster/master has a fluid reservoir mounted on top of the master cyl. Also there is another reservoir, I assume for the clutch fluid, mounted on the firewall... You can see it just under the strut tower stabilizer bar. I have never see this set up before... Can anyone explain?
 
Thanks for posting, Christopher

Will be interested to see if this one surfaces for sale.

I surely hope some poor guy didn't think he was getting a real CSL and bought it from long distance.
 
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