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Hi,

My speedometer isn’t going past 30kmh... I replaced speedometer cable nothing changed. But when I connected my drill machine on end of speedometer cable it goes up to 60kmh so problem is not in speedometer also but I believe in speedometer drive gear.

How to remove speedo drive gear I hope it can be pulled out without removing and opening transmission.

I have original 4 speed trans.

Thanks
 
You should be able to reach the drive gear from the end of the transmission, remove the output flange, seal, and you should be able to pull it out.

I would remove the speedo drive first, before playing with the drive gear. Simply unscrew the bolt that holds the speedo cable and use something (I used a "screwdriver" that has a small hook at the end of it) to pull the speedo drive out of the transmission, it's only hold in place with an o-ring once you've removed the bolt. You will now have the speedo drive in your hand, or on your floor ;) You don't have to remove the oil from the transmission to do this, there will be a tiny amount of oil on top of the o-ring but that's it.

Once you have it out you can inspect the gear at the end of the speedo drive, and the drive gear inside the transmission through the hole.

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Chances are that it is not the drive gear on the trans shaft, it is made of steel and never have seen one worn The speedo cable drive gear spindle is not made of steel so it can and does go bad. The actual gear part is the same for 2002's as the coupes The adapter piece is different from 2002, the coupe ones are bigger and are sill available new, the spindle part is NLA I have one but have promised it to another coupe member, I can get in touch with him if you want to see if he still wants it. Also, just to check, make sure that the flange is tight on the nut, if they come loose, the drive gear on the trans shaft can be loose but rare.
 
Took it out it and test it is OK. Will replace o-ring and put it back in.

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So there must be problem in speedometer itself… probably worn out gears. Any suggestions how to take out speedometer and what to check.
 
The speedo is driven magnetically. If it's bad I think you're SOL, though maybe one of the pros can do something. Several of us may have spare speedo heads... I have a metric unit available, PM if you'd like to discuss prying it out of my pudgy little fingers.
 
I have tested if drive gear is working and it is... so problem is definitely in speedometer.


I have never taken speedometer out. Is it possible to take out just kmh gauge?
 
Yes, remove the 2 knurled nuts, flip the speedo 180 degrees, and use all your zen skills to find a path down and out. might help to remove the far left gauge first, but I think I've done it solo.
 
When I took my (USA) speedo head out, it only needed to be rotated maybe 20 degrees after loosening the nuts that hold it in. I took out the clock first, which had never worked, and I fixed and cleaned that thing. My odometer hadn't been working for 20 years (so I have a low mileage CS) but it works now. The mechanism driving the odometer is quite similar to my 2002 experiences, just a lot more trouble to get into, when the chrome ring has to be pried off ever so gently. I don't do well with "ever so gently" but managed it this time.

By the way, on BMW Motorrad recommends against using petroleum lubricants on motorcycle speedometer cables.
 
The speedo is driven magnetically.

The speedo does in fact work with eddy currents from a spinning metal disk that deflects the needle without actually touching it. The needle is attached to a "cup", and the metal disk spins inside of this "cup" and deflects the needle more or less with speed of rotation.

Eventually the little bronze bushing that connects the speedo cable to that "cup" works itself out slightly, and causes erratic speed readings and jumpy needle deflection.

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I would bet that if you disassemble the speedo, clean, gently re-seat everything, and reassemble, you will have a working speedo. The odometer cable is the same size as the speedo cable. You will need to pop it out of the back of the speedo when you remove the speedo. Just by twisting the cable in the speedo with your fingers, you can get a deflection of 20-30 mph, so I would guess your bushing is in need of re-seating.

Lots of good pictures here to help visualize this, and a great video by an 02 guru on how to work on the speedo.

Firstly, you will need to loosen the nuts holding the instrument cluster housing so that you can lift the housing up from the dash a fw cm, else you'll never get the gauges out.
When removing the gauges, remove only the easiest to reach mounting clamps. Just loosen the upper clamps so that the gauges can slide out. You can later reinstall the lower clamps easily with the gauges positioned, but pushed back just prior to re-installation.

Easiest to start by removing the fuel gauge cluster, as this gives you plenty of room to work on everything else. You could bag it and tie it out of the way without disconnecting everything.
Pay attention to how your odometer cable is dressed through all of the other cables from the access door to the speedo. It is crowded in there, and can go several ways, so make note of the best way.

Yes, remove the 2 knurled nuts, flip the speedo 180 degrees, and use all your zen skills to find a path down and out.
As Stevehose says, when removing the speedo, note that there is a vertical sheet metal frame located conveniently behind the speedo to block its exit. The speedo has to exit to the left as you're facing it. I recommend to push in the gauge and rotate the face/body of the speedo to the right and work the tip of the speedo cable mount past that sheet metal to the left, then rotate the face back forward. You can then summon all of your zen skills to gently rock and rotate it to find a way for the mounting flanges to get through all of the surrounding cables and metal.
I found that unseating the tacho [easy(ish) access from below] and pushing it in a bit gave me easier access to manipulate the speedo.

While you're in there, I would strongly urge you to replace the odometer drive gear, as it is surely worn. Mine worked fine before I disassembled my speedo, but it did not work when I reassembled, as I apparently disturbed it just enough for it to start missing on the worn spot. Had I known, I would have happily paid the $25 bucks to not do this exercise twice!

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Cut the old gear off with a razor knife, and press the new one on.
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Hi. If you still need parts for repair I have a bunch of speedometer parts I will gladly send you. Not sure what model BMW they came out of.
I will need your address.
 
Made it... took it out.
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It has been opened in the past for sure. Bronze busing is missing and end part as well:
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mine:
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Also connected speedo cable to see how it works... I still dont know what could cause to only go to 30-40 kmh.


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Made it... took it out.
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It has been opened in the past for sure. Bronze busing is missing and end part as well:
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mine:
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hi
how did you removed them from the car ?
did you removed the black dash binacle over the instrument cluster ?
did you forwarded the instrument cluster ?
or did you simply removed it from the back ?
did you removed any specific cables ? or other elements ?
 
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