Guidance on pricing '74 CS

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Looking for some guidance on how I should price this 74 3.0CS. The car runs and drives, but definitely requires some restoration work on the interior and there is some rust on the driver door, small dent in driver front fender. Has 16" Alpina wells, but not an Alpina model. Overall the paint is not bad, but some front fenders look to have been repainted in the past based on receipts from PO and hood is dull with scratches. Leather looks to be original and shows a lot of wear on fronts, driver has tears in it. I just had both from calipers rebuilt and installed new rotors and pads from Wallothnesch. Left rear caliper also refreshed, but not getting fluid in rear line, so needs some work on the braking system. Starts up well, some tune work done and new battery.

I picked this car up from the widow of the previous owner and trying to help her get it sold. Was hoping you guys would have some good advice and ideas on how to price it. I am more of an e28 guy, so not too familiar with where this should fall on the pricing scale after reviewing Bring-a-Trailer and Hemmings for some pricing ranges.

All help appreciated.

Scott


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what is the VIN of this 74?

the interior is definitely in some need of refresh - that will cost somebody a minimum of 5k to 7.5k depending on who does the work.

not sure if the drivers door is the only rust but that is likely from a bad seal - no idea about the A pillars / inner fenders - if rust is limited to the one door, its not horrible as the door could be replaced. we know the car needs to be repainted - so body work paint is a minimum of 10k to 20k. you should look at the Technical Information section of this forum and find the thread on where coupes rust https://e9coupe.com/forum/pages/rust-prone-areas/

the alpina wheels add some value - i see a little curb rash on the one i can see in detail (fixable) but that probably adds 1500 / 2000 in value - if all 4 perfect 3500 add, the bumper swap adds value as well - probably another 2000 / 2500 in value.

my guess with limited knowledge about mechanicals / rust is somewhere around 40k to 50k. it looks like it could be a great project for somebody.
 
Even before I read @rsporsche's clear eyed assessment I had fixed on $50,000. Undercarriage and trunk with the spare removed photos would add another level of confidence. Mileage, how was it stored, receipts, complete tool kit, I will stop here. Good luck with the sale.

When you know more put it up here in the Cars For Sale and Wanted Section. You will get the most interested buyers who will most likely give it a new home with a good steward.
 
CSteve said:
Even before I read @rsporsche's clear eyed assessment I had fixed on $50,000. Undercarriage and trunk with the spare removed photos would add another level of confidence. Mileage, how was it stored, receipts, complete tool kit, I will stop here. Good luck with the sale.

When you know more put it up here in the Cars For Sale and Wanted Section. You will get the most interested buyers who will most likely give it a new home with a good steward.
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Thank you, I will get more pics and use the Cars for Sale section. Definitely want someone who will take to the next level and appreciates its value.
 
rsporsche said:
what is the VIN of this 74?

the interior is definitely in some need of refresh - that will cost somebody a minimum of 5k to 7.5k depending on who does the work.

not sure if the drivers door is the only rust but that is likely from a bad seal - no idea about the A pillars / inner fenders - if rust is limited to the one door, its not horrible as the door could be replaced. we know the car needs to be repainted - so body work paint is a minimum of 10k to 20k. you should look at the Technical Information section of this forum and find the thread on where coupes rust https://e9coupe.com/forum/pages/rust-prone-areas/

the alpina wheels add some value - i see a little curb rash on the one i can see in detail (fixable) but that probably adds 1500 / 2000 in value - if all 4 perfect 3500 add, the bumper swap adds value as well - probably another 2000 / 2500 in value.

my guess with limited knowledge about mechanicals / rust is somewhere around 40k to 50k. it looks like it could be a great project for somebody.
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Thanks Scott, that is higher than I had initially guessed based on some of the auction results I viewed.
 
Is this a US car? If so somebody has gone through the trouble of converting it to the early bumpers which is definitely a plus. But, what that also means is that somebody's being tinkering with it. At that point we need to establish whether that person knew what they were doing or not.

Do you have any photos of the engine bay focusing on the top of the fender and other usual rust areas?
 
ScottE9Project said:
Thanks Scott, that is higher than I had initially guessed based on some of the auction results I viewed.
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i am guessing that this car is in better shape than some of the basket cases that get put up for sale. it looks pretty good from 10' away - sure there is the issue on the fender and rust on the drivers door - not terminal cancer. it looks like it has been cared for (most of its life), just neglected late in its life.

the caveat is the quantity of rust. that's why i sent you the Rust thread. if there is substantially more rust, the value will be lower. looking at the inner fenders, firewall (inside and outside), floor pans, rocker panels (under the covers), spare tire well, under the parcel shelf, etc. will tell you a lot about the car. pull up the carpet and look at the floors, open the gloveboxes and look at the inner surface of the firewall - if you see rust / bubbles ... then look closer. remember, the windshield / window gaskets are some of the easiest water entry points that go undetected for a while.

the wood looks to be in reasonable shape as do the door cards. can't really tell about the carpet ... but the leather on the seats has seen better days. my opinion is that if someone takes the seats out to redo them, its easy to do carpet at the same time.
 
It looks like an interesting mix of elements on this one. Some nice edits/adds. And some areas that need apparent attention. As others have noted, investigating the common rust areas (many of which are concealed or hard to see) will inform the biggest delta for a correct price range, I think. I wish it were closer as I'd be happy to help inspect it.
 
so, its a euro '74, not a USA ... so the bumpers are original. firewall looks excellent on this side. curious about the drivers side since there is rust on the drivers side ...
 
Open the hood latch panel and let us see what you see. If this car has no major/structural/rocker rust in the usual areas I would revise my $50,000 estimate upward.
Look at the flocking in the glove box.

"It runs and drives." A really big plus. I see some cold start, driving videos in its future.
 
CSteve said:
Open the hood latch panel and let us see what you see. If this car has no major/structural/rocker rust in the usual areas I would revise my $50,000 estimate upward.
Look at the flocking in the glove box.

"It runs and drives." A really big plus. I see some cold start, driving videos in its future.
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Wow… that looks really good.

Without major major investigation it looks like a minimal rust car. If so it could be an easy build for someone that wants to go full on or a nice driver for someone that just wants to pick at things slowly.
 
The one issue I have found that would need immediate attention is the braking system. no fluid going to the right rear caliper, brakes overall just don't seem right to me. there is some leaking on the master cylinder on one of the top hoses. front calipers in good shape now that they have been reconditioned, getting fluid, but not sure about left rear, didn't touch it. but while I had it up working on the front brakes, didn't notice any significant rust to speak of. will post a video tomorrow of the engine running.
 
here is my current curiosity - what is going on with the finish of the fender tops. the sound insulation on top of the fenders has a really odd texture - like it had a coating put on top ... that was later painted silver. so you should take pics of the fender cavities (remove the wheel + take pics). this is like taking the rocker covers off and taking pics of the rockers and the floors ... you are giving potential buyers a way to make an informed opinion. remember the old rule about rust on coupes - what you see is only 20% of the rust that is there.

the inner firewall is the best i have seen on a coupe that is looking for somebody to rescue it.

the mechanicals - you know the braking system needs attention. that is relatively contained cost-wise ... but important. the engine, steering and suspension are something entirely different. if they need work i am going to widen the range from 35k to 50k. the more issues, the more you are at / below the 35k number ... the more solid things are, the greater the chance to get to the upper end.
 
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