How much are E9's appreciating/year?

teahead said:
A CSi is obviously more than an emblem.
Take any BMW. The "i" in any E-car is worth more than a non-i. Whether it be an E24 or an E31 or E9.
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obviously your point is about what an "i" means to-day.
an "i", seriously ? come on, it is 1971, just a handful of years after bmw's chance of bankrupcy dissappeared
there was no "i" in those emblems, not "that sort" of "i", BTW it was no "m" neither (many others will insist on the "m" letter, better say the absence of the "m" letter...)
coupe sport injection ? injection, nothing else than injection
and what is the point of the first injection against the summit of carburetor technology ? and i am speaking about the zenith inat, yes
obviously is a question of personal taste, i have no problem with the CSi being more expensive than the CS, as i am not worried when it is said that a 3.5 engine plus a 5 gear box is adding value
it is just a matter of puting these things in their context
and it is obviously IMHO
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Isn't "to-day" what we're talking about as far as current prices?

Not talking about 1971. Today, people value/desirability on many things. If more people than not, value the "i", because it's the precursor to other "i" cars and "m" cars, then hence, the added value.

Again, my $0.02 too, but that's what I am observing.
 
Ifn

there was a magic formula for guessing appreciation we'd all be retired from playing Wall Street or Vegas. There isn't.

There are any numbers of factors. Some make sense, like CSLs going up in value and everything goes along. Even parts cars and parts. Some, like someone who just wants out and sets a low value. But that's what they wanted for a sale and placed a value on. Happens all the time. Barn find, little ol lady from Pasadena.

I just want to know the intrinsic value you place on that grin when you blow past that new ______ ( insert the car of your choice) in the straights or twisties. Never mind the other guy just got blown away by a 40 year old antique. Drive it like you stole it.

I say we get Pamela Anderson to pose nude in an E9 for the last Playboy and then see what it's worth. It was Heph's car anyway. Seems fitting to me.

But I digress- what's the value of a real racing CSL and where are they? I mean the real fire breathing ones. Finesse, pedigree, and hp. Dig that up and you'll get a whole new meaning of value never talked about.

Accent the positive.
 
DQ is right, there is no "i" in "carburetor", just like there is no "i" in "team".
Our mantra is "are you good enough to drive a carburetor car".
 
in some far away time, i do believe that a numbers matching coupe that is in perfect condition, regardless of 3.0 cs, csi or 2800cs would be worth more than a non-matching coupe. a true collector's coupe ... a 100 pt. car

being that we drive our cars, and we modify them to be better drivers and better performers ... many b35 3.5L injected engines will greatly outperform a true CSi. The difference a CSi came stock with was an engine with higher compression and injection ... which added about 20 more HP. a b35 has more than that.

my point is, the value of a coupe is in the condition - IMHO, if you could find an original - perfect survivor ... a museum piece ... it would be worth a ton of money for a collector. a perfectly restored car is also worth a lot of money - but perhaps not as much to a collector.

yes, if you compare an exact 3.0cs and a 3.0csi, the csi would be quicker. but you can't find exact examples. you can rebuild a cs motor to equal a csi ... you can even surpass it. my point is, you buy the best coupe can find and afford. you put money in it to make it an even better coupe. if you start with a 2800cs, you have a little more work - you have to upgrade the brakes ... but once that done, they are on a much more equal ground. then enter emotion - color of the car, color of the interior, wheels, tires, suspension

so my point is - its too hypothetical of a conversation ... what is worth more?
 
so how much do you guys think bdigel s coupe will be worth when it is finished?
and who are these collectors you are talking about? I know people who restore a car and never use it, not even once. on the other hand I know people who race 300sl s. there are collectors who modify cars so they can drive daily, and there are ones who try to find unrestored untouched cars, and they keep them as they are. I think the value is a well put together car. its all in the detail.

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teahead said:
Isn't "to-day" what we're talking about as far as current prices?

Not talking about 1971. Today, people value/desirability on many things. If more people than not, value the "i", because it's the precursor to other "i" cars and "m" cars, then hence, the added value.

Again, my $0.02 too, but that's what I am observing.
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ok, but those guys are speaking and thinking nonsense, that "i" did not precede the modern "i"
 
that would only be worth consideration if this coupe was ever put on the market for sale ... which is doubtful any time in the not-so-distant future. there is decidedly a more complicated market for a true race car, and if it is as successful in racing as i expect it to be, it will only go up above any expectation. the amount of labor involved would probably exceed what most people would be willing to spend.




Kizilsakal said:
so how much do you guys think bdigel s coupe will be worth when it is finished?
and who are these collectors you are talking about? I know people who restore a car and never use it, not even once. on the other hand I know people who race 300sl s. there are collectors who modify cars so they can drive daily, and there are ones who try to find unrestored untouched cars, and they keep them as they are. I think the value is a well put together car. its all in the detail.

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I personally think that it is kind of rude to play the unsolicited valuation game on members' cars that aren't for sale. The original question was about appreciation. One requires two data points to calculate that number for a given car. The first number being purchase price, previous sale price, or insured value. The second number is the same, as of today. I recommend that we stop discussing coupe value on member vehicles unless said members wants to provide such numbers to support the OP's original question. With that said, any analyst will tell you that you need more than a handful of data points to identify a trend. If I sold my car next week, it would have appreciated 50% in a year. This number is completely irrelevant to the overall trend for these cars.
 
I think E9s are appreciating...FAST!

The previous owner of my car bought it on ebay for $10,800. I bought it a year later for $15k, and the owner said, after I put on a deposit, was getting offers for $17k.

Now the sub $20k market is hot for decent cars b/c of inexpensive buy-in, but the $45-60k market is suspect. Are those cars selling and selling quickly?

Dunno.
 
I believe they are selling fairly quickly, Norman's white coupe on eBay just went for $42K. I inspected it and it was worth every penny.
 
My two pennies on the subject

Firstly, E9s have been appreciating very nicely the last few years. That said, they all started from a really silly level when compared with any other, great looking, prestige, limited volume cars from the late 60s early 70s. You then add in BMWs as a whole and the Marque had been ripe for the escalation in all major models, especially with its phenomenal racing heritage.

You really didn’t need to be Einstein 5 -10 years ago picking up great BMWs, especially our own E9s. Most on this forum loved the E9s and bought what fitted their budget, often improving them along the way or sometimes just keeping the roadworthy, but enjoying a gorgeous car.

If you bought well in that period or at least a decent car, you have seen at least seen a doubling in value. Tying it down to particular models, is really comparing apples and oranges. Was the CS sold 10 years ago mint or a pig, was the CSi or even the CSL? so appreciation is really all over the board, each car has its own graph.

If anybody is trying to guess the near future, that is sooooo much harder. We now have superb 3.5 conversion E9s in and around the $100k level, entering six figures was a big barrier and I don’t think we are consistently through it yet. On CSL’s we are literally from $100k (great RHD) to $250k for a really special LHD, guys, I am not including “outliers” at either end of the scale here. As always with this kind of appreciation, the cream rises to the top and Batmobiles, genuine race cars and Carb CSLs , have had an even better rise.

All this said, the market as a whole is taking a breather, nothing and I mean nothing continues going up without some ups and downs along the way. BMWs are still doing very well, but a breather is a good thing in the long run and is necessary in any market, both for stability and prices that reflect some kind of realism reflective of a true supply/demand equation.

Future appreciation or depreciation is anybodies guess, so the old adage applies "just buy something you really love and forget the market" it normally works out ok in the long run :-)
 
Good pricing tool

Or as good as any..

I think this is a really good way to check pricing/value- It's not the definitive guide but can help;

go to mecum.com and go to the Infonet sign up. It only asks for your email, from there you can search all cars sold in the last few years and by clicking on the lot number you can see the original pictures of the cars sold. Now, as I said, it's just a tool, not the end-all but I found it pretty easy to navigate and the information is pretty good for free :-)
 
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