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Manual steering box on the bay
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John S
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Steering Box
Can anyone tell by looking at the picture of the steering box whether it's for a right of a left hand steering car :?:
Can anyone tell by looking at the picture of the steering box whether it's for a right of a left hand steering car :?:
That's a left hand drive box.
If ya'll want manual steering, just cut the belt... 8)
If ya'll want manual steering, just cut the belt... 8)
steve
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Yes you could but the cls box has a faster steering ratio that is pretty nice. 8)
corsachili
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And weighs at least 50 pounds less than the PS unit.
John S
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conversion
Does anyone know how hard it is to convert a power steering car to a manual steering box?
Does anyone know how hard it is to convert a power steering car to a manual steering box?
Re: conversion
Paging TJ Noto to tech, stat!
TJ did this, and he discovered there is a difference in length between the steering shafts which must be corrected.
Paging TJ Noto to tech, stat!
TJ did this, and he discovered there is a difference in length between the steering shafts which must be corrected.
pmansson
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On Saturday I drove my Taiga with its new manual steering box for the first time. Yes, it is heavier on stand still manouvering, but it is much nicer to use when driving. It has 4 turns from far left to far right.
I forgot to check numbers to see if it is a CSL or manual E3 steering box, but they are fairly similar if I recall correctly.
It required an extension of the lower steering column.
I had the box serviced prior to installation. The minimal play that I have now, must be due to the old, rubber "clutch" plate between the upper steering column and the U-joint above the pedals somewhere.
I am not a big fan of poly bushes, but this might be one situation where it´s appropriate to use it. Ireland Engineering has them and I have one in my parts boxes.
I forgot to check numbers to see if it is a CSL or manual E3 steering box, but they are fairly similar if I recall correctly.
It required an extension of the lower steering column.
I had the box serviced prior to installation. The minimal play that I have now, must be due to the old, rubber "clutch" plate between the upper steering column and the U-joint above the pedals somewhere.
I am not a big fan of poly bushes, but this might be one situation where it´s appropriate to use it. Ireland Engineering has them and I have one in my parts boxes.
Orangener
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On thursday evening (european time) i will make an auction on Ebay with such a manual steering box which i have found during a stock clearance a few weeks ago (LHD).
I have installed one in my coupe, you need muscles in stand !
And, like velocewest wrote, the steering shafts must be corrected!
Or you find one from an E3 with the correct lenght, like i did....
I will post the link.......
I have installed one in my coupe, you need muscles in stand !
And, like velocewest wrote, the steering shafts must be corrected!
Or you find one from an E3 with the correct lenght, like i did....
I will post the link.......
pmansson
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Very strange
My original CSL has 5 turns from point to point, whereas the manual box in my CSi has 4 turns.
I bought 2 manual steering boxes last year, of which one might have been from an E3, can´t find the paper where I noted the numbers.
Both were serviced and one of them recently installed in my Taiga CSi.
I have not touched the CSL box.
I could understand the CSL having 4 turns and the CSi having 5 turns (with an E3 steering box), but not the other way round, with the CSL having 5 turns...?
My original CSL has 5 turns from point to point, whereas the manual box in my CSi has 4 turns.
I bought 2 manual steering boxes last year, of which one might have been from an E3, can´t find the paper where I noted the numbers.
Both were serviced and one of them recently installed in my Taiga CSi.
I have not touched the CSL box.
I could understand the CSL having 4 turns and the CSi having 5 turns (with an E3 steering box), but not the other way round, with the CSL having 5 turns...?
Orangener
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Re: Very strange
Me too :?: :?
pmansson said:
Me too :?: :?
Re: Very strange
I bought a manual CSL steering box a few years back and have all the parts necessary to install it.
However as I was considering installing it I found out that the CSL manual steering box has a higher gear ratio than the servo-assisted steering box - which is also described in the repair manual:
The power steering (ZF ball nut power assisted steering) has a steering gear ratio of 15.7:1 and an overall ratio of 18.45:1
The manual CSL steering (ZF-Gemmer steering) has a steering gear ratio of 16.4:1 and an overall ratio of 18.5:1 :o
However I have heard that special racing steering boxes were made in the 70s with ratios about 13:1 - that's what you want to get your hands on
pmansson said:
I bought a manual CSL steering box a few years back and have all the parts necessary to install it.
However as I was considering installing it I found out that the CSL manual steering box has a higher gear ratio than the servo-assisted steering box - which is also described in the repair manual:
The power steering (ZF ball nut power assisted steering) has a steering gear ratio of 15.7:1 and an overall ratio of 18.45:1
The manual CSL steering (ZF-Gemmer steering) has a steering gear ratio of 16.4:1 and an overall ratio of 18.5:1 :o
However I have heard that special racing steering boxes were made in the 70s with ratios about 13:1 - that's what you want to get your hands on
I also have a manual box on the shelf awaiting conversion.
The Mfg plate says: ZF-Gremmer-Lenkung #7320955108 Fabr. Nr. 85425 371
Is this a CSL manual box or an E3 unit?
Tried inputting the number at RealOem without any luck.
Any help with the ID of this part appreciated.. 8)
TIA!
-shanon
The Mfg plate says: ZF-Gremmer-Lenkung #7320955108 Fabr. Nr. 85425 371
Is this a CSL manual box or an E3 unit?
Tried inputting the number at RealOem without any luck.
Any help with the ID of this part appreciated.. 8)
TIA!
-shanon
pmansson
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108 is the CSL steering box.
Interesting to see how many turns you have from one extreme to the other.....
Interesting to see how many turns you have from one extreme to the other.....
Orangener
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Mine has end-number 153 and 5 1/2 turns.....
But I have sold one with end number 108, also 5 1/2 turns .... and this one was from a E3 wrecker (3,0si with D-Jetronic) and not from a CSL !
But I have sold one with end number 108, also 5 1/2 turns .... and this one was from a E3 wrecker (3,0si with D-Jetronic) and not from a CSL !
Orangener
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Interesting :lol:
4 turns, 4,5 turns, 5,5 turns......anyone else here with 3,5 or 5 ?
4 turns, 4,5 turns, 5,5 turns......anyone else here with 3,5 or 5 ?
Orangener
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Orangener said:On thursday evening (european time) i will make an auction on Ebay with such a manual steering box which i have found during a stock clearance a few weeks ago (LHD).
I have installed one in my coupe, you need muscles in stand !
And, like velocewest wrote, the steering shafts must be corrected!
Or you find one from an E3 with the correct lenght, like i did....
I will post the link.......
Here´s the link to all my E9-related stuff on Ebay, including the gearbox :
http://e9coupe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=21321#21321
G-Man
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I have a manual steering box in my 70 Euro spec E3 2800 and I was running 225/60-14 tires on 14" Alpina's. It was a real bitch to turn in parking lots, definately power steering by armstrong. Start weight lifting if you are running wide tires on your car because you'll get a workout driving your car. I went back to stock 195/70-14 and it was much easier to drive.
G-Man
G-Man