to register then we have an even 2000 cars!!!!!
It continues to amaze me that coupes keep popping up to be added.
It continues to amaze me that coupes keep popping up to be added.
Need 5 more coupes
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duane_sword
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From a total of 30546 produced of which ~20% (?) came to the USA originally?
3724 shipped to US/North America through Hoffman. We have over 20% of these in the Registry although some are from the old CS Register and not seen in 20 years but they do keep popping up weekly. Stan and I add new coupes all the time.
If I told my hosts in China that we are 2000 coupes in the registry he would ask in what hotel are we staying
I have some doubts about the reliability of some of the figures. Apparently just 422 right hand drive E9 Cs and CSi coupes were made and there are some who estimate that, due to attrition and otherwise, there may be as few as 50 remaining in the world, which would make sense given that 40 years is easily enough time to decimate the rust prone E9.
There are 30 CS and CSi coupes on the register in Australia and probably several not registered. Now I know we like our cars in this country but that would seem to be a disproportional representation of E9 ownership or the overall estimates are incorrect.
There are 30 CS and CSi coupes on the register in Australia and probably several not registered. Now I know we like our cars in this country but that would seem to be a disproportional representation of E9 ownership or the overall estimates are incorrect.
The 50 number is way low.
I've personally seen 10 RHD E9's in the UK on just a handfulmof trips there, none of which were specifically focused on BMWs
I've personally seen 10 RHD E9's in the UK on just a handfulmof trips there, none of which were specifically focused on BMWs
And 500 RHD CSLs. I personally think closer to 30 or 40% of all coupes survive.
I wasn't counting CSLs as they are in a different league price wise and provenance wise. CSLs are easier to define because most owners take care to maintain provenance whereas CS and CSi coupes are all over the place with different engine #s, different gearboxes, conversion to RHD, colour changes, etc, therefore the figures are more than a little rubbery. Does it really matter? Probably not as strict provenance isn't adhered to anyway.
Perhaps a way of arriving at an estimate would be to make a reasonable assumption about what percentage of E9 owners would register their cars. I would imagine that most owners ( say 90% taking a guess ) would sooner or later visit a forum and register their name to join and of those most would list their car on the register. Perhaps as high as 90% ( taking another guess ). So if all the forum registers were to collate their numbers it may be fair to assume that 90% X 90%, say 80% of all the existing E9s could be accounted for. You can't use 90% of registered members as not all members have an E9. A statistician could probably find more holes in this reasoning than a Swiss cheese. Time to form a committee?
majority register their cars on a forum?
"sooner or later visit a forum and register their name"
I think it's highly variable.
Some of my cars were from dyed in the wool enthusiasts where fanatical about a marque or specific model, yet none of them were entered in any registry when I bought them. These owners were well known and active in their clubs. They just didn't seem to value having their car's information on the internet (one owner specifically did not want his car info listed on the internet).
Some car clubs discourage registries that allow anonymous or user driven entries, out of consideration for legal issues. Once, I had to have my car inspected by 2 club officers who were recognized by the government as the official people allowed to certify a car's authenticity (with regard to VIN). Before that inspection and an official letter to the govt I couldn't get it on the registry. That sort of scrutiny certainly kept registry numbers down and turned away some honest people (justified in some cases).
Finally, older owners are not all internet savy, so even if they were willing ... they may just not know about it. I have old car friends who still haven't gotten cellphones...
John
"sooner or later visit a forum and register their name"
I think it's highly variable.
Some of my cars were from dyed in the wool enthusiasts where fanatical about a marque or specific model, yet none of them were entered in any registry when I bought them. These owners were well known and active in their clubs. They just didn't seem to value having their car's information on the internet (one owner specifically did not want his car info listed on the internet).
Some car clubs discourage registries that allow anonymous or user driven entries, out of consideration for legal issues. Once, I had to have my car inspected by 2 club officers who were recognized by the government as the official people allowed to certify a car's authenticity (with regard to VIN). Before that inspection and an official letter to the govt I couldn't get it on the registry. That sort of scrutiny certainly kept registry numbers down and turned away some honest people (justified in some cases).
Finally, older owners are not all internet savy, so even if they were willing ... they may just not know about it. I have old car friends who still haven't gotten cellphones...
John
Okay then what I said is irrelevant. In that case there may be no way of knowing actual surviving numbers.
Didn't mean to be an a**h*le
But I think this is the situation with E9's.
If we were talking real the rare, blue chip stuff .... I think you are right that the vast majority are captured in the registries. True for things like Cobras, gullwings, etc.
But I think this is the situation with E9's.
If we were talking real the rare, blue chip stuff .... I think you are right that the vast majority are captured in the registries. True for things like Cobras, gullwings, etc.
With around 20% of US/NA VINs in our Registry, including parts cars and those now gone, I think it's reasonable to assume only half are registered. I have met long term owners who knew nothing of e9coupe.com and as said earlier, we are adding new VINs all of the time. There are owners here who I don't believe have registered their coupes either.