Opinions- BMCCA Roundel Magazine

Have received my first two issues. Just as a new guy with no history, Roundel seems like an arm of BMW marketing new cars with a lot of racing thrown in. JMHO.
Wish there was a vintage BMW magazine. At least two other German car manufacturers have vintage magazines, and several British.
 
I left the club decades ago. Even then, pimping the new rides and racing were gaining fast.
 
still a member

i keep my membership for the parts discount and the occasional article about our coupes.
I do not like the new layout. I usually read the Tech Talk.
 
I immediately wrote in to BMWCCA letters after I received my new issue of Roundel. I wondered if it was just me. But, on reading all the posts on 02, it certainly isn't just me! I urge everyone to read and follow the posts and to email letters at Roundel with opinions. I was not aware of all the dropping of columnists etc, and I just commented on format and arrangements. But I hate both, think is is really bad, and I am much closer to not renewing BMWCCA. In my opinion, Bimmer has become a much better magazine and obviously on E9 and 02 Forums have much more content. I can wish for a change, but will not hold my breath.
 
The only reason I renew is for the parts discount. I normally throw the rag in the trash w/o opening it, UNLESS there is a vintage BMW on the cover.
 
spinoff

I joined CCA in 1972. Never lived in an urban hub of chapter activity, so the Roundel has been my main benefit. I used to read it cover to cover, but fewer of the current articles hold much interest for me. I don't much like the new format, but I thought it was just old fartitus on my part.
I think it is only a matter of time until a vintage group spins off. I'm a longtime member of the 356 Registry and have no interest in PCA. Just a matter of time til we oldies reach a critical mass.

Don
 
the new issue comes at a bad time - i'm up for renewal. not sure i'm gonna do it. i like this forum sooooo much more than bmwcca.
 
It pays for itself - and then some- by way of parts discounts. The format change is unfortunate, but the content is still "kind of" what it has been. Did we forget the recent article on Bluemax and our friend Murray?
 
you know, i've never been asked for my card. i've asked, "do you give a 'cca discount?" then they give me the discount.
 
Let it be...

I was in the CCA for many years. I did Chapter President, Treasurer, Newsletter Editor, organizer and so on. Those days are years in the past. I've been through the CCA scene, Chapter Congresses, Oktoberfest, Editor's Conferences, Driving Events meetings and so on, so I will address my perception of the current state of affairs. 2002FAQ no longer recognizes my login, so I do it here.

I've not see the new Roundel and don't necessarily want to; my CCA days are largely over.

If CCA re-orgs, there's a reason. One of my toughest jobs during my many years as a Chapter officer was to generate enough attendance to make it worth my time. Aside from a few close friends, turnout was never worth the effort in any realistic manner, but it is and remains a volunteer proposition and you take from it whatever satisfaction you may find. It was tough to find my successor; I was lucky in some ways.

Old cars - CS, 2002, Bavaria, 320i, 635CSi, and the like - have faded and no longer constitute any significant part of the present club nor are they seen on the road. A stock BMW from those days is decades old and compared to the current standard it gets poor mileage, provides lousy occupant safety, many CS parts are ridiculously priced, there's nearly no aftermarket sources and the cars no longer represent the value they once did. The owners are also aging. Those desiring a meaningful mechanical involvement, have by now learned to do so themselves. When I joined there were so few alternatives for parts and mechanical knowledge, CCA membership was a blessing. Nowadays, knowledge, camaraderie and the parts availability are on the 'net and any fool can find, as we do on this forum, all we need. Those reasons pertinent to joining back in the day, are thus no longer.

Similarly, the mechanical make-up of the car has advanced in complexity. Example: this afternoon I was in a pal's X5 door trying to figure out a lock/unlock issue. There's a lot of stuff there. This reinforces that today's bimmer owner is not for the most part interested or mechanically inclined or perhaps capable. The old simple days of current Bimmer ownership are over - as they are for all those fond of cars designed in the 60's and built in the 70's.

Social perceptions of BMW ownership I will not address but they contribute to this.

CCA has got to follow what/where they perceive their market is. Inevitably they have and will continue to change, and this will be resented by some of the "old-timers" who rightly or otherwise perceive they are being ignored. I suggest both sides be recognized and accepted. B*tch if you want but be aware what segment of the population you represent; if you haven't been a longtime active CCA member I think STFU.

Flame suit's on; my email is inop (da*mn AOL) so it will largely pass me by. I will respond to polite PMs, and continue to kick in my two cents to this list.
 
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B*tch if you want but be aware what segment of the population you represent; if you haven't been a longtime active CCA member I think STFU.
As a new CSi owner/enthusiast/CCA member, this post pretty much speaks for itself
 
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i keep my membership for the parts discount and the occasional article about our coupes.
I do not like the new layout. I usually read the Tech Talk.

Tech Talk is pretty much all I read too, although I will admit to the vanity of looking to see whether my car made it into the issue about Monterey after the Roundel photogs were all over it (it did not).
 
Print media is pretty much dead as we all are seeing, long ago the internet replaced the 2 or 3 things that interested me in the Roundel which was the vintage stuff. I can get exactly what interests me through various blogs and forums, making leafing through pages of tire and aftermarket ads, ramblings of how "green" the latest BMW's are, and the new model "test drives" a thing of the past for me.
 
CCA and Roundel Mag.

I think the usefulness of the CCA and the Roundel magazine have long since passed (for me). I was a long time member and did not renew two years ago. I took them up on one of their offers to come back at a discount this past fall. I do not think I will renew the next time up. The Roundel has no value and I don't by parts from the dealer network (because they don't stock them). I think the problem is the ever widening gap between the fewer numbers of "older" enthusiasts and the growing number of newer "tuners". Even many shows, group events are no longer fun because of the ever widening gap between these two types of enthusiasts. The classic cars and owners don't hold the same financial opportunity for the manufacturer as the later model cars do. Thankfully we can pool knowledge and resources here.

Remember the days when BMW owners would flash headlights in recognition of another? Now days the other is more likely to pull a gun on you if you flash lights at em'.

Dave L
 
My take on this is that my wife and I are members about 10 years now and participate in some local chapter events and we have been to 3 Ofests. We have met some very nice people, some of them are on this forum.
We are in the over 60 crowd and the Ofest participants seem to be close to that by 10 years both ways.
Interestingly most of the cars that are in the concours or rally or other events including the track and autocross are pre 1995 or so. This goes along with the mid-life crowd that attends and the crowd that can afford to attend.

I totally understand BMWCCA wanting to attract a younger crowd because they need them or there will not be any future for the club.
With a tauted 75000 members they only get about 500-600 at an Ofest.

So without the vintage and near vintage group of which we are members there would not be an Ofest. Not sure if new car purchasers get a free one year subscription/membership but if they do I wonder how many renew?

I think the magazine remodel is an attempt to attract a younger crowd and maybe it will help. Other than the parts discount there are other benefits that come from the mass of owners that drive things like the re-manufacture of the tool box for our trunks. There are other parts like this being made for other models. The club and magazine act like a vehicle to help accomplish some of these "benefits" that are not in the main stream.
So keep your CCA membership if for nothing else but the parts discount and the occasional article like Blue Max, The Vintage in NC, Legends of the Autobahn in Monterey, Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix and many others I'm too old to remember.

And no I don't like the new design because I think it looks cheap and the reproduction of photos in the recent issue was horrible. Time will tell how this goes.

Gary :smile:
 
I just joined the CCA for the parts discount, and I've only seen the January issue so for. There's not much of interest to me in there since the last new BMW I liked was the E12.

Funny thing is that on p.64 a 2002 is identified as a 320.

Leonard

'70 2800CS, '11 C30, '89 505STX
 
My local public library sells donated magazines for a quarter. Someone donates Roundels, and I skim them for interesting articles. Bought the issue with the article about Murray.

Well worth it.
 
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