Potential purchase - your input appreciated

tygaboy

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Hi all -
I've found a potential E9. EDIT: asking price is $26K.
The seller is a known quantity and I have a friend who's a previous E9 owner, is local to the car and is willing to PPI it for me. I've received a bunch of pics and thought I'd post a few and see what the brain trust has to say.

It's a 2800, 4 speed, manual sunroof with a 3.0 engine and rear disc conversion. Originally silver, repained blue. The nose was damaged when a truck backed into it but the bumper wasn't damaged.
It's showing some rust bubbles in the lower rear driver side front fender and some level of rust on the passenger front shock tower.
It comes with replacement headlight surrounds and center grill, good trim and a CSL front air dam. Also the original wheels and a complete tool kit with all the original items (bulbs, etc.)
Thanks in advance for you input.
Chris
Petaluma, CA

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Hi @tygaboy,

I'll chime in as an owner of a rusty 2800CS. I think that much of it depends on the asking price. I love that it is a complete coupe. The interior looks mostly original and in good shape, which is great. The body looks decent enough on the outside (which doesn't say much). The body damage seems very manageable/minor. There was previous rust mitigation and body work that has occurred. It is evident on the nose (where nose meets driver fender). Evident on the inner fenders, likely covering rust holes. The bubbling on the front fenders is normal rust bubbling, and not swollen body filler.

You really need to check out the rust situation. I'll reply again in a few.
 
See my previous comments below. I just looked at a Seattle coupe on Monday and took it for a spin. I was a 'go' because everything below checked out, despite needing attention on all the things that will nickle & dime you to death.

I'm not an expert on these cars but I do have two rusty coupes. Additionally I've examined a few drivers over the last couple of years. I'm not sure what you read, but this is what I would focus on. I have some pics in the project thread of my car that highlights some of the areas discussed. My parts car does but that is unrealistically rusty. I'll just assume that you are looking for a 'project car, with all of its inherent flaws.

Front End:

Check the bottom of the front fenders, near the passenger door. Look for signs of metal patchwork and body filler on the outside. From inside the fender, look up into the area near the windshield frame. There is an access hole up there and you can snap a pic of the inside with your phone. I refer to this area as the fender box, but that isn't the real name. Also from insid the wheel well look on the front side of the fender where the back of the headlight would be. Check for rust holes. With the hood open closely examine where the inner fender meets the outer fender. Look near the shock tower for signs of repair, filler, excess seam sealer, etc. You should be able to see the factory sound deadening, or the factory spot welds. If the whole area looks nice and smooth it has likely been reworked. Check to ensure that the firewall seal runs all the way from fender to fender. It isn't uncommon for the ends to get cut off when working on the innner fenders. Check the lower windhield frame, particularly near where the end of the passenger wiper sits. Check for filler just below the chrome trim.

Cabin:

Open the glove box and peer up at the firewall. Look for signs of rust, holes, or repair. This is the other side of the aforementioned fender box. The firewall tends to separate from the kick panel area but it will be covered with carpet. You can feel around in this area and also verify from the wheel well. Next check fuse door. I haven't seen much rust in this area even on my disaster parts car. Peer up above the fuse block and look for rust. You also have slightly better access to the same area where the firewall meets the lower A pillar, where the kick panel is. Look for separation.

Rear Seats:

Ask for permission but pop off a rear seat. Simply lift up on them. I would chose the driver's side only because I've seen more rust on that side (I have no idea why). Look at the curve of the wheel well and check for rust. Pay attention to the area where the well meets the floor. If you can, check the other side. If you look at my project car the wells are fine on that car, but the subframe pickup points have quite a bit of superficial surface rust on them. When the rear window seals go this area gets pretty wet. As a result, you could have musty/ mildewy seats and the wooden backs of the arm rests could be heavily water damaged.

Undercarriage:

Peter's video has this covered. Check out the floor pans. This is pretty obvious. If they aren't shot they could be on their way, particulary where the large metal floor plugs mate with the pan. Also check the frame rails, particularly underneath the driver/passenger feet.

Read End:

Check the spare wheel well. Check the strut tops for signs of damage, stress cracks, repairs (not necessarily a bad thing), etc. Check the forward section of the wheel wells. The outermost side of the well that isn't accessible under the seat. Look for holes forward of the rear tires.

Rockers:


They are likely covered up by trim. Give them some knocks with your fist to see if you get any falling flakes. Stick your finger in the drain holes and see what you find.

Doors:

I've seen a number of doors with rust holes near the window chrome. Check for body filler. Also examine the underside of the doors for rust.

Rear windshield frame:

Check the base of the rear windshield. Look for signs of a bad cracked seal. Look for body filler particularly near the fenders. Open the trunk and check the center of the body lip that the trunk seal rests in. Check the fender sides as well, and the lip on the tail panel.

Paint:

Look for signs of overspray. Closely examine the belt-line trim and windshield seals. Determine if the car was masked and sprayed or all trim was removed during the painting process. The paint job could be great but it is an indicator that shortcuts were taken. Shortcuts with body filler and the ones you want to avoid.

Interior:

Look for good seat cores that are solid regardless of the upholstery condition. Look for door panels that aren't warped. Look for a headliner that isn't sagging. Most importantly, the condition of the dashboard. You can get seats, carpet, headliner material, door panels, center console, glove boxes, and fuse doors if you hunt around. It is very hard to find a clean crack-free water-damage-free dashboard. The condition of the dashboard wood particularly near the A Pillars is important. Look for significant delamination. A few top layers are workable but repair outfits (some of them highly recommended here). The door wood is less of a concern but it does tend to delaminate on the ends as well.
 
Hi Markos - Thanks for the details. It's printed and will be on it's way to my pal to support the PPI. In the meantime here are a few more pics to consider.
First, it looks like something's been torn here... ideas?
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Oh BTW - The car you are considering was from New York back in the 90’s. Any claims that it is a California car would be false, as the rust issues highlight. With that said it looks somewhat promising.

This what the “fender box” looked like on the car I PPI’d on Monday. Note the sand, but the sheetmetal is very clean:
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Here is the same shot that I just snapped of my project car, which is in similar condition to the one that you are considering.
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Seems kind of rusty for $26k.

Those fenders will HAVE to come off.

Check under the spare tire from the inside.

Check behind the glove box and fuse box area.

See if he's willing to take off those rocker covers.

That area does look like it's torn, which is easier to fix than rust.

Any bubbling on the REAR quarters either in front of behind the wheel?

W&N makes a repop header panel for like $500 so that front end is fixable.

Interior does look decent (dash pads) so good value there. How does she run?

I'm thinking about $22k just from what I see.
 
Asking price is 26k.... when i see you US guys on tele that means a offer of 16k and a deal for 20 …. :D
 
Hi Markos - Thanks for the details. It's printed and will be on it's way to my pal to support the PPI. In the meantime here are a few more pics to consider.
First, it looks like something's been torn here... ideas?
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yes, I see a front right floor corner which is not supposed to look like this. Likely a wrong jack setup, or someone drove over something that jumped up after the wheel went over it.

by the way, on that picture I see also that the chrome strip is the incorrect one. It is the strip that belongs on the other side of the car. they are different L to R.

The rust situation is difficult to asses, as the layers underneath what you see are the critical ones Fenders, Sills, A-pillar, rear subframe mounts, rear shock towers are expensive to fix if needed.
Only one of the outer layers is easy to peel off; the Sill trim. In the picture that I quote upon, you see a screw. That is one of ~12 screws that holds the sill cover. So it is a screw-on, screw-off thing. i would unscrew before making a purchase decision. You may see unpleasant surprises underneath, but any knowledgeable E9 owner will know it.
 
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I don’t see anything that $25-$30k wouldn’t fix. Add another $8k to paint it and you are done with the body.
Start at $60k and subtract what you'd have to spend to make it a 2+ car. The result is what the car is worth, IMHO.
Maybe $10-$12k?
 
Thanks to all for the input. Greatly appreciated! Even with some negotiating, I suspect this seller is going to want more than I'm willing to pay. I'll be talking with him this weekend to find out, one way or the other.
And it's not like I don't have enough going on in my shop. (apologies , non E9 but I thought you might get a kick out of my 914 LS3 Boxster 6-spd project...)
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