Real vs. Falsified 3.0 CSLs?

Mal CSL 3.0

Mal CSL 3.0

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Just wanted to share some interaction I recently had with BMW's Archives, Classic Brand Management in Munich.

As I wanted to verify the history of my car, a few weeks ago I sent them photos; 2x VINs, registration/ownership papers, interior and exterior shots. (I didn't send the engine VIN as was having trouble to find it at the time). Anyway the response I got was as follows:

"For the BMW 3.0 CSL we are somewhat restrictive with information, because these cars are often subject of falsification. When all details (including engine VIN) are received we will show them to our experts and as soon as they agree, I will tell you what's in the delivery book"

It is good they are doing such due diligence, but interesting they say CSLs are often false. So I wonder does anyone have an opinion of how many false ones exist versus origional CSLs? ie what % are fakes?

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The good news is, that once I emailed all details including the engine VIN, BMW Germany emailed back my car history and confirmed it as an origional matching numbers rhd 1972 CSL. Origional colour Taiga.

PS BMW Classic charge Euro75 for a 1 page and Euro125 for a 2 page originality certificate, which seems expensive in IMHO.
 
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Sniffy so they don't contribute to the creation and legitimization of fakes, which could result in liability on their part. BMW is a big outfit (don't we know it) and a tempting target. Ponder that they never see the cars for which requests are made, yet their Zertifikat may be worth a good deal when a car is sold.
 
A few years ago I applied for a CoA for my TiSA. They were just as careful about it as they are being about CSL's. Protecting their brand is not a bad thing. Making sure they don't contribute to the pool of fake cars is not a bad thing. Look how many RSR's exist in the Porsche world to see what can happen.
 
There are many False CSLs. I have meet a few in North Cali that had CSLs and when asked they tell me they swapped out the 2.8 for the 3.0 and switch the badge. So be careful when shopping.

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I must have a rare CSL with aluminum rear quarter panels, because a magnet does not stick to the left rear corner.
 
If BMW was trying to limit their exposure then the way they are doing this as described below isnt the way.

The most risk free thing for them to do is "provide is a vin, proof of ownership and money, and we'll tell you how that car with that vin left the factory. Whether it's been duplicated or faked afterwards isn't possible for them to know, and if an owner with this certificate thinks it's proof of legitimacy then they are wrong. Same goes for the Porsche Coa program and any other vendor program.
 
Nicad said:
I must have a rare CSL with aluminum rear quarter panels, because a magnet does not stick to the left rear corner.
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Magnets do not stick to bondo or cardboard either...

A fake CSL could be a good buy if you pay with fake dollars.
 
Mal CSL 3.0 said:
Just wanted to share some interaction I recently had with BMW's Archives, Classic Brand Management in Munich.

The good news is, that once I emailed all details including the engine VIN, BMW Germany emailed back my car history and confirmed it as an origional matching numbers rhd 1972 CSL. Origional colour Taiga.

PS BMW Classic charge Euro75 for a 1 page and Euro125 for a 2 page originality certificate, which seems expensive in IMHO.
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Beautiful car, I can certify that for 25 Euros. I may have to apply a 5 Euro surcharge because it takes 20 extra minutes to figure out if it was "Taiga" or "Tiaga". If you doubt that spelling once, you will never be sure again. I knew a guy that repainted his car Polaris rather than struggle with the spelling every time.
 
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