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The steering of my car has recently exhibited oddly erratic sloppiness and play.

Has never been the most tight system in any power steering coupe I've driven, but this requires constant attention to keep in a straight line some of the time and then is seemingly more on-track at others. My car suffers from general tram-lining anyway with the current wheel and tire set up, but is markedly worse than usual.

Had my pro look over the suspension and do a safety check. No issues that he could identify and he suggested alignment. He did not seem to think the steering was too bad in a test drive. For me it feels unsafe often.

After some searching here, I will likely have the reservoir and filter serviced to see if that helps.

Any other suggestions?
 

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Look for ....
Toe out front and rear
Loose idler bushing
Dry strut bearing
Binding steering joint
 

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Thanks guys.

Will have the noted items checked. Steering box is my assumption as well, so appreciate the suspicion confirmation. Not sure about rebuild/rebuilt opportunities, or viable substitutions for the box though.
 

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There is a screw at the top of the steering box. (Thread here somewhere). The screw is locked with a nut, I think 17mm. Someone will confirm or correct. The idea is, if your steering is sloppy. In particular left and right play at tdc then your box may need adjusting. Hold the slotted screw head in place while you loosen the nut. Don’t let the screw move. Once the nut is loose tighten the screw 1/4 turn maximum then tighten the nut and check the results by driving the car. You can tighten it another 1/4 turn if the steering is still sloppy. Do not overtighten or you risk damaging the box. Also check the flex disk on the steering column to be sure it isn’t dissintegrating.
 
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There is a torquing procedure for adjustment of the steering box in the manual.
Tighten the adjustment screw until correct torque is measured at the steering wheel with a friction meter.
Correct torque with steering components removed at pitman arm is 10-12 kgcm for most models- I believe.
If you don't have a friction meter you will have to adjust from example or memory.

http://www.e9coupe.com/tech/autobooks/chapter10/autobooks_manual_104.htm
 

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Here is a pic of the screw. It is visible from the engine compartment and fairly accessible. It is a hex screw on my 2800CS.

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If you do not remember where your friction meter is you should not adjust from memory...

I never heard any success story of solving a play problem adjusting this screw, so let’s provide rebuild advice if we have any. ZF used to sell rebuilt ones...

If you don't have a friction meter you will have to adjust from example or memory.
 

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Isn't this the "screw of death" or something, as it can cause your steering to lock up if not adjusted properly?
 

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I’ve had one lock up on the freeway after overtightening.....
As if you turned the key to off but Engine is still running.
Time moves very slowly when this happens. You won’t forget it.
 

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So does anyone rebuild these steering boxes? I'm considering going thru mine next year just because of the age and mileage
 

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The steering of my car has recently exhibited oddly erratic sloppiness and play.

Has never been the most tight system in any power steering coupe I've driven, but this requires constant attention to keep in a straight line some of the time and then is seemingly more on-track at others. My car suffers from general tram-lining anyway with the current wheel and tire set up, but is markedly worse than usual.

Had my pro look over the suspension and do a safety check. No issues that he could identify and he suggested alignment. He did not seem to think the steering was too bad in a test drive. For me it feels unsafe often.

After some searching here, I will likely have the reservoir and filter serviced to see if that helps.

Any other suggestions?

I wouldn't be too quick to condemn the steering box and other steering/suspension related components. While your complaint re vague steering may indeed, be a mechanical component problem, there many possibilities. First, it is unclear from your post what kind of tires and wheels you are running. Tire pressures, rubber compounds, tire and wheel widths and offsets can amplify steering issues, as can road composition and road crown angles. Are you, by any chance, using camber plates or have you ever had struts bent? Some tires are more forgiving than others when it comes to tracking and with this in mind, some tire-wheel-suspension setups can be extremely sensitive to slight toe adjustments. Your steering wheel is connected to the steering box via a rag disk. Although the coupling is probably in good shape because it is inside the cabin (under the dash), if it is torn or worn, you will indeed experience sloppy steering.

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A bad pump may make steering hard, but it won't necessarily cause sloppiness.

When it comes to your steering box, just curious, how is the lubricant level? Is it topped up, or has it all leaked out? I do not believe the adjustment screw to be that much of a problem. If you can't recall adjusting it and have inches of play with the wheel centered, then some adjustment is worth a try. Likewise, you ought to be able to observe each drag link and tie rod joint by having someone turn the wheel. Anything but smooth uniform movement should signal further inquiry.

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Any vehicle can exhibit tramlining on certain areas of the highway because of uneven pavement or severe rutting. And all vehicles tramline to some degree rather than obediently following the driver's steering input. For example, there's usually at least a small change in steering resistance felt through the wheel when crossing an uneven expansion joint or asphalt junction during lane changes.

Noticeable increases in tramlining are frequently uncovered when drivers living in the snowbelt make the seasonal changeover from winter tires to summer tires, or when any driver upgrades the performance of their tires using either the same size or going to a "Plus Size" tire and wheel package. The reason that it becomes more pronounced then is because neither the typically narrower and softer handling winter tires nor the Original Equipment tires generate as much grip or responsiveness as the higher performance summer tires. Since the vehicle's suspension works as a complete package, a higher performance tire will also uncover any previously unnoticed looseness in the rest of the suspension.

Components
Tires have the most direct influence on tramlining because they are the part of the vehicle that comes into contact with the road (and the longitudinal ruts and/or grooves that exist there). Unfortunately anything that increases a high performance tire's responsiveness also increases its willingness to tramline.

High performance tires with short sidewalls that develop lots of cornering power at lower slip angles will be more susceptible to tramlining than standard All-Season passenger tires that develop less cornering force until their slip angle increases. A wider treaded tire will encounter more longitudinal ruts and/or grooves in the road than a narrow treaded tire. A tire with large tread blocks that transmits the driver's input to the road with great precision will also transmit the road's imperfections back to the vehicle's suspension. And because tires become more responsive as their tread depth wears away (which is why tires are shaved for competition and track use), a tire will become more likely to tramline as it wears.

Wheels can influence tramlining as well. Installing wider tires or a "Plus Size" tire and wheel package usually requires using wheels with a different offset than the vehicle's original wheels. In some cases, the new wheels will have slightly less offset than the original and in other cases, slightly more. It all depends on the vehicle's suspension design and available wheelwell clearances. You will even find that Original Equipment manufacturers often use different wheel offsets for their different diameter tire and wheel packages.

Usually the amount of offset change is kept to a minimum and vehicle tracking remains relatively unchanged. However if the offset is significantly different, it will alter the way the road forces are transmitted through the tire and wheel to the suspension. Therefore, large changes in wheel offset will increase the likelihood of tramlining.

Suspension bushings, ball joints and shock absorber mounts have a direct influence on tramlining as well. As miles are driven and the years go by, the suspension's wear parts will deteriorate as they age. This often happens so slowly that it isn't very noticeable. Over time the ever-increasing suspension wear permits play that eventually allows the tire to be directed by the irregularities of the road rather than be controlled by the suspension.

Imagine a worn suspension that allows a front wheel and tire to swing between the recommended 1/16-inch of toe-in and 1/16-inch of toe-out when it encounters a rut in the road. This 1/8-inch difference in the direction that the tire is pointed will result in the vehicle tramlining. Replace the worn part to remove the play and you will significantly reduce or remove the tramlining. Many drivers with higher mileage cars have reported that replacing worn suspension components has eliminated tramlining and made the car drive like it is new again...which I guess it essentially is!

Service Adjustments
Using higher tire pressures than recommended by the vehicle manufacturer for your driving conditions will unnecessarily stiffen the tire and make it even more willing to cause tramlining. If you are running higher tire pressures than necessary, simply dropping the tire pressures to those recommended by the vehicle manufacturer will help reduce tramlining.

Alignment settings can be key as well. The "camber" and "toe" settings both play a role in vehicle stability and the propensity for tramlining. Extreme positive or negative camber settings will make a vehicle more sensitive, especially when only one wheel encounters a longitudinal rut and/or groove at a time. Even if all the tires are "aimed" straight ahead when the vehicle is in motion, a tire that is "cambered" wants to turn. This is the result of the "camber thrust" generated by a leaning tire (it is also part of the explanation of how motorcycles turn). A vehicle suspension using lots of negative camber for competition or the track will experience more tramlining on the street.

Additionally, the drivers who use additional toe-out settings to encourage their vehicle to turn into corners better also encourage tramlining because the extra toe-out will reduce vehicle stability in a straight line.

In the case of the competition driver who uses non-factory alignment settings, the amount of tramlining that is acceptable has to be left up to the driver. For only street-driven cars, getting them aligned with negative camber and toe settings within the factory's specifications is an important first step.

Roads
On a multi-lane highway, usually the left lane offers the smoothest road surface because it sees the least amount of heavy truck traffic. Unfortunately, on many interstate highways, it's not legal to continually drive there (pull right except to pass). While the center lane can be almost as smooth on a six-lane highway, there can be exceptions. For example, in the case of I-94 between Chicago and Milwaukee, you will find that when the road was widened from two to three lanes, the center of the new center lane is on top of the original junction between the earlier two lanes. This means that vehicles traveling in the new center lane have their right hand tires on the original right hand truck lane and their left side tires are on the original left lane. This can cause an uncomfortable feeling for miles. Usually the right hand lanes are the least smooth because they are rutted by heavy truck traffic. When you drive in those lanes, or drive across them to exit the highway, it's possible that you'll find your vehicle may feel like it wants to follow the truck ruts and has a mind of its own. https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=47



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Do NOT back off the adjustment screw, it has a recess in the bottom of the screw and a single ball bearing sits there, if you back the screw too much the ball falls into the guts of the box, game over... no real harm in adjusting it though, slacken the nut whilst holding the screw, tighten the screw until slight pressure felt, back very slightly, rather like a front wheel bearing, tighten the nut, all with steering straight ahead,
re tramlining, 100% check rear toe, should be about the same as front, 20mins toe in,
 

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Also check the center tie rod, the ends become loose in there fixed mounts at either end.
 
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