The end for my rally E9 ?

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it may be the end for my E9 , as from this year all "oldtimers" must go again for tech inspection ( which was not the case in Belgium for cars older than 25 years ) .
Biggest problem is , they must be oem…. on some cars you can switch to oem ( just) for inspection , but my red coupe is to much changed … ( bigger brakes, pedal box, roll cage , Intrax suspension etc...) .
So possible that i sell my 2 coupes , the spare blue one is oem , so no problem, the red one … ?
As many have seen , i'm building a Porsche 928 for rallies on closed roads , in that case we also need tech inspection but it doesn't have to be oem , for that there is a official "race "inspection . Cars are not street legal , just for rallies.
In that context i think buying a oem Porsche 928 for the regularity rallies , and prep it as far as i can go for inspection…. at least it would have already HP/torque and brakes enough for that kind of events with street legal cars…

damned, government changes rules as they wish….. and "we" pay the price…..
 
sad to know this, but in any case belgium was a odd exception to other countries in which we have been having our cars MOT inspected since ever
i know that changing the rules hurt,
enjoy the blue coupe meanwhile...
 
pitty is they can "change" the rules for all cars they accepted in the past , if they want something new to be smart , so be it , but for all from now on , not the already licensed ones.
I bought a E9 , worked on it 5 years to get it better and better …. invested 30 ? K € … because it was allowed , didn't have to be oem.
Now that i have a "perfect" reliable historic rally car those morons found that it cannot be longer tolerated.
Believe me, i'm not the only one with that problem now…. there will be many tears.
 
contrary , i foresee it will become only worse.
It is as they want to ban the oldtimers..... already in many city's prohibited.
 
yes and no Bo , between "closed road" stages we drive on public roads ….. also service area's , podium etc... are public places.
 
Belgiumbarry said:
contrary , i foresee it will become only worse.
It is as they want to ban the oldtimers..... already in many city's prohibited.
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yes that is the bigger fact, they want to ban old cars in general
to me the point of regulating more the classic cars may have a positive effect as they will be somehow accepted

there was something strange in belgium regulation ( to my humble understanding) that anyone may have a car with a special consideration simply for being old, and that was not normal too

here you must pass the MOT every 4years if your car is older than 4 years, when is older than 8 years you must pass every 2 years, and after 10 it is every year,

but if you make an special historic plate (this is a process including a report for originality), you will see the MOT is delayed first until 2, then 3, 4 or even 5 years for cars older than 50

now that my car is older than 45 i pass the MOT every 4 years

and my car is allowed to enter city centre whereas a simple old car can not go in
 
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deQuincey said:
yes that is the bigger fact, they want to ban old cars in general
to me the point of regulating more the classic cars may have a positive effect as they will be somehow accepted

there was something strange in belgium regulation ( to my humble understanding) that anyone may have a car with a special consideration simply for being old, and that was not normal too

here you must pass the MOT every 4years if your car is older than 4 years, when is older than 8 years you must pass every 2 years, and after 10 it is every year,

but if you make an special historic plate (this is a process including a report for originality), you will see the MOT is delayed first until 2, then 3, 4 or even 5 years for cars older than 50

now that my car is older than 45 i pass the MOT every 4 years

and my car is allowed to enter city centre whereas a simple old car can not go in
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We are much more "Liberal" towards classic and vintage cars here in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. For most cars there is an annual mechanical and emissions inspection.
For classic cars there is only the mechanical inspection. Once the car reaches the antique age category there are no inspections. I believe most of the other 48 states and the other Commonwealth, Virginia, have similar rules. But I find PA's especially generous to the classic/antique cars. And, joy of joy, PA only has rear license plates, and special plates for antiques and classics.

I also believe that one can make many modifications to older cars that the inspectors, really just private repair shops' mechanics, don't care a wit about. Even going as far as a roll cage. I believe.

For classic car insurance, a real bargain that includes agreed values, the car must appear stock. My coupe has many invisible mods inclduing engine, transmission, suspension and even exhaust. Since it requires NO annual inspection I don't have a working radio. The exhaust is music to my ears.

Really feel bad for you in the EU where a bureaucrat in Brussels or elsewhere can change the rules depending on their mood. Bastards!
 
CSteve said:
We are much more "Liberal" towards classic and vintage cars here in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. For most cars there is an annual mechanical and emissions inspection.
For classic cars there is only the mechanical inspection. Once the car reaches the antique age category there are no inspections. I believe most of the other 48 states and the other Commonwealth, Virginia, have similar rules. But I find PA's especially generous to the classic/antique cars. And, joy of joy, PA only has rear license plates, and special plates for antiques and classics.

I also believe that one can make many modifications to older cars that the inspectors, really just private repair shops' mechanics, don't care a wit about. Even going as far as a roll cage. I believe.

For classic car insurance, a real bargain that includes agreed values, the car must appear stock. My coupe has many invisible mods inclduing engine, transmission, suspension and even exhaust. Since it requires NO annual inspection I don't have a working radio. The exhaust is music to my ears.

Really feel bad for you in the EU where a bureaucrat in Brussels or elsewhere can change the rules depending on their mood. Bastards!
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i think your liberality is mostly on the air pollution issue in the US, i understand that the right to have, own, and use a car is very strong there

i have to disagree on this :" Really feel bad for you in the EU where a bureaucrat in Brussels or elsewhere can change the rules depending on their mood. Bastards!"

point is pollution is unbelievable (in big cities is unnacceptable), and they have to fight it, and they do not know how to do it, i would not say bastards, i would not do it better if i were in their position

industry and house heating is untouchable, so private cars is the next in the line, i am afraid....
 
Barry
Can you just trailer it to your rally events? Or are the rally cara required to be registered for public road use? This is one advantage of track racing, where the government only interferes with regard to noise limits.
 
bfeng , i have a trailer.... and could make it a "rally" car ( = not street legal , only closed road rallies )….. but for that it is underpowered /weight. You need at least 300HP to be of any importance . Not the case with a atmo M30.....
 
deQuincey said:
enjoy the blue coupe meanwhile...
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sorry deQuincey , that is a good sunny Sunday family cruiser.... far from a rally car . Why else would we make for 20K euros changes ?
In that weight range you need 300 HP ,at least ,to be of any importance.
 
Belgiumbarry said:
sorry deQuincey , that is a good sunny Sunday family cruiser.... far from a rally car . Why else would we make for 20K euros changes ?
In that weight range you need 300 HP ,at least ,to be of any importance.
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barry, it was a friendly remark
future for combustion cars is not bright
we will see people throwing rubbish at us from windows and terraces when we pass under their apartments and shouting "go away" to us
you remember when smoking cigarrettes was a proof of taste and style, and what happened next ? considered almost as criminals,...
i say enjoy what you can, until it lasts, today they ban your rally car, so enjoy the family cruiser, next one will be that one and you will be left with an electric bicycle and a pair of shoes, ...
I am saying they are serious about this, and it will be difficult to reverse it
....but please, never, ever, convert and e9 to electric....
 
deQuincey said:
barry, it was a friendly remark
future for combustion cars is not bright
we will see people throwing rubbish at us from windows and terraces when we pass under their apartments and shouting "go away" to us
you remember when smoking cigarrettes was a proof of taste and style, and what happened next ? considered almost as criminals,...
i say enjoy what you can, until it lasts, today they ban your rally car, so enjoy the family cruiser, next one will be that one and you will be left with an electric bicycle and a pair of shoes, ...
I am saying they are serious about this, and it will be difficult to reverse it
....but please, never, ever, convert and e9 to electric....
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Barry,

Why should industry and home heating, two of the largest if not THE largest sources of pollution after automobiles be "untouchable" and a fraction of a fraction of the cars on the road be severely penalized for the fraction of the pollution produced in its entirity.

So ban that fraction from cities. Would owners like you be willing to keep your modified cars out of city centers. I bet you would.
 
The UK is extremely kind to classic cars. All cars over 3 years old need an annual inspection called the MOT (short for Ministry of Transport) until that car reaches classic status which I believe is 40 years old. At that point it doesn't need an inspection at all.

Separately, we pay road tax of differing amounts each year based on CO2 emissions and value, but classics do not pay anything. Finally, the Mayor of London has excused classic cars from the ULEZ (the Ultra Low Emission Zone) which is £12 per day.

Come and live in the UK for a better classic car owning experience! No rubbish is thrown at us from windows and terraces, and no shouting of "go away" I agree that the door is now fully open for warfare on polluting vehicles, but it seems that here at least, we will fly under the radio and carry on chucking out pencil loads of carbon and CO2 with gay abandon.
 
Rek, from what I saw in the UK back in October, I don't see how classic cars can contribute anything to pollution.....our self drive covered some 3,000 kms and I can't say I saw what might be described as a classic car the whole time . Same in Italy ...1,000 kms and only saw a Lancia Beta Coupe ; mind you, if it was like the one I used to own it .then the exhaust smoke would cover Italy's EU allowance !
 
Average age of the fleet over all cars in Australia is around ten years. Light utility vehicles being the oldest.

No special inspection requirements.......yet. Heavily modified cars need an engineering report for registration, however when I see hotrods with a flimsy fibreglass kit body, no seat belts, open exhaust, no engine cowling and open wheels registered and driving on roads here I do wonder at the wisdom.
 
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