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Hi Yannick,
Car looks great! would love to see some engine and interior pics sometime.
A suggestion to combat your cabin heat issues:
Since I have no sound or insulating martial in mine either, I had my headers ceramic coated (Jet-Hot) and the difference is remarkable. It may not be period correct in appearance, but there might be new 'period' color options available now.
HTH,
-shanon
Hi Yannick,
Car looks great! would love to see some engine and interior pics sometime.
A suggestion to combat your cabin heat issues:
Since I have no sound or insulating martial in mine either, I had my headers ceramic coated (Jet-Hot) and the difference is remarkable. It may not be period correct in appearance, but there might be new 'period' color options available now.
HTH,
-shanon
giannicsl
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It's a dreams!!!!! ;--)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Thats so brilliant. I love the in your face BMW ALPINA below the rear bumper!
What alloy are the wheels?
What alloy are the wheels?
Alpina B2-S issues
Great pics Yannick.
I think you and Gerrit have some of the most period correct CSLs worldwide (more period correct than BMW Classic's CSLs). On the pictures, it looks like the sunny south of France - n'est-ce pas? BTW, I spent the past WE in Strasbourg's patinoire (icerink) - cold as ice ...
Speaking about Alpina B2-S, if I remember correctly, Paul Frère drove the LL-L 502 Alpina. That car was badged with the "CSL" emblem (like yours) on the boot lid. Should not the early carb CSL be badged with only "CS"?
What puzzles me is that on "werksfotos" of the earlier carb M-AH 1076 (Golf), it has "CSL" emblem. The later carb M-ST 408H (Inka), owned by BMW classic, has only the "CS" emblem. Your car has a VIN in between these ones. Most likely your car and the M-AH 1076 are correctly badged and the later BMW Classic M-ST 408H, with only "CS", is not correctly badged.
On the other hand, the very late carb 2212442, which is supposed to be an untouched carb, is badged with only "CS" ...
Furthermore, the other CSL Alpina LL-H 450 had some strange fabric on the Scheels (looks like full plysch and not with the ribbons-style).
In order for me to get back to a normal life again, pls clarify these pending issues.
Cheers
Henric
Great pics Yannick.
I think you and Gerrit have some of the most period correct CSLs worldwide (more period correct than BMW Classic's CSLs). On the pictures, it looks like the sunny south of France - n'est-ce pas? BTW, I spent the past WE in Strasbourg's patinoire (icerink) - cold as ice ...
Speaking about Alpina B2-S, if I remember correctly, Paul Frère drove the LL-L 502 Alpina. That car was badged with the "CSL" emblem (like yours) on the boot lid. Should not the early carb CSL be badged with only "CS"?
What puzzles me is that on "werksfotos" of the earlier carb M-AH 1076 (Golf), it has "CSL" emblem. The later carb M-ST 408H (Inka), owned by BMW classic, has only the "CS" emblem. Your car has a VIN in between these ones. Most likely your car and the M-AH 1076 are correctly badged and the later BMW Classic M-ST 408H, with only "CS", is not correctly badged.
On the other hand, the very late carb 2212442, which is supposed to be an untouched carb, is badged with only "CS" ...
Furthermore, the other CSL Alpina LL-H 450 had some strange fabric on the Scheels (looks like full plysch and not with the ribbons-style).
In order for me to get back to a normal life again, pls clarify these pending issues.
Cheers
Henric
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Very, very nice!
Companies that do the ceramic coating can coat JUST the insides of your headers/downpipes, and this will carry the heat away from the engine and passenger compartments.
hmmm ... wouldn't coating the inside -
1. decrease the inner diameter of the pipe and therefore decrease flow, creating more backpressure within the engine ... and generally restrict free breathing? i guess you could by a bigger diameter header / exhaust pipes.
2. wouldn't the slightly irregular surface (coating on the inside where you can't control the surface) create flow turbulence?
maybe i just don't understand the coating process ... it might have significantly improved over the years.
just wondering, please enlighten me.
thx
scott
1. decrease the inner diameter of the pipe and therefore decrease flow, creating more backpressure within the engine ... and generally restrict free breathing? i guess you could by a bigger diameter header / exhaust pipes.
2. wouldn't the slightly irregular surface (coating on the inside where you can't control the surface) create flow turbulence?
maybe i just don't understand the coating process ... it might have significantly improved over the years.
just wondering, please enlighten me.
thx
scott
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Regarding ceramic coatings:
Before I sent my headers off, I went to the Jet-Hot web site (can only speak off the company that did mine) and did some research and then had the free video/dvd sent. Then pulled the trigger and am very glad I did.
I seriously doubt there are any dimensional changes significant enough to effect header performance. But just ask them...they are the rocket/jet scientists. If it is designed and good enough for aerospace, I am sure it is fine for a 40yr old car. And it is guaranteed.
stay cool and keep couping!
-s
Regarding ceramic coatings:
Before I sent my headers off, I went to the Jet-Hot web site (can only speak off the company that did mine) and did some research and then had the free video/dvd sent. Then pulled the trigger and am very glad I did.
I seriously doubt there are any dimensional changes significant enough to effect header performance. But just ask them...they are the rocket/jet scientists. If it is designed and good enough for aerospace, I am sure it is fine for a 40yr old car. And it is guaranteed.
stay cool and keep couping!
-s
pamp
Well-Known Member
Ceramic Coating
I have been told that the opposite is true with the state of the art ceramic coatings. Coated surfaces are smooth and give flow advantages as well as the thermal protection.
http://www.koolcoatceramiccoatings.com/
These guys have quite a good reputation here in Canada, and do a lot of work for US and international customers as well.
I have been told that the opposite is true with the state of the art ceramic coatings. Coated surfaces are smooth and give flow advantages as well as the thermal protection.
http://www.koolcoatceramiccoatings.com/
These guys have quite a good reputation here in Canada, and do a lot of work for US and international customers as well.
I know my new (to me) E9 has some headers of unknown Mfg. One thing I noticed was that they have a lot of surface rust and are very long before the first connection. It looks to me like to you have to lift the engine to install them. Is this typical of headers on the E9? My car has no AC and I would like them to last, so maybe getting the header coated would be cost effective for both heat reduction and longevity.
pamp
Well-Known Member
Headers
I would give these guys at Koolcoat a call. For pipes they charge by the foot. Being in Canada you could use Greyhound for shipping? Can't really see why the pipes would not be able to come out with the engine in place. The thing that puts Koolcoat above the rest is that they have a state of the art metal preparation machine of which they are quite proud and cost them big $$$. Call them...interesting stuff for sure, whether or not you choose to use their services.
I would give these guys at Koolcoat a call. For pipes they charge by the foot. Being in Canada you could use Greyhound for shipping? Can't really see why the pipes would not be able to come out with the engine in place. The thing that puts Koolcoat above the rest is that they have a state of the art metal preparation machine of which they are quite proud and cost them big $$$. Call them...interesting stuff for sure, whether or not you choose to use their services.
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Carb badge + L-LL 450 Scheels
Bonjour Yannick,
- Badge issue:
I could live with the theory that there was no logic in the carb-badging - it sounds like "period-logic". It's most likely ruled by the number of original holes on the trunk lid.
- Scheel full-velvet issue on LL-H450:
I have another Zonderdrück-article (in German) signed Paul Frère and titled "Test: BMW Alpina 3.0 CSL". Unfortunately is doesn't say from which Magazine.
In this article, Frère drives the LL-L 502. The car is pictured beside some parking/factory building with a huge staircase in the fond. In this article, there are two comparable interior shots: LL-H450 + LL-L 502. The interior-picture of LL-H450, clearly shows a Scheel seat which looks like to be in full velvet (no lines). In style, similar to Jaime's 2275501 Scheel seat in velvet.
Also, if I compare the early Werkfoto of the carb-interior, it looks like full-velvet, compared to the Werkfoto (nr 7423) of the later Bat-CSL interior. Same resolution and angle on the photos, but (in my eyes) completely different Scheel fabric.
In conclusion: as I cannot convince my family about the Scheel-issue, I'm not allowed to wear any of the Motorsport clothing from the 70s anymore. The punishment is; only wear M-Style collection clothing and drive coupes from the late 80s, e.g. M6 E24 (with the 15kg NMT Mobile Telephone "Ericsson Hotline"), until this velvet-case is closed.
Cheers
Henric
PS 1:
The BMW Classic 2212278 is of course Colorado (my mistake), but it was new to me that it was Golf from factory (ex Joel T:s car?) In an article written by Jean-Pierre Beltoise, there is another French Golf Carb with a similar reg plate - 7292DE92. Beside the carb, a French Polaris, with black stripes 2275-car (Bat?) with reg plates 9337QN95, appears.
PS 2:
Speaking about French CSLs, there is an article, about GG:s early injection-Taiga, in the October-November 2011 issue of the "Le Monde de la BMW - BMW World" (no 113). Interesting story about the colors of that car.
Bonjour Yannick,
- Badge issue:
I could live with the theory that there was no logic in the carb-badging - it sounds like "period-logic". It's most likely ruled by the number of original holes on the trunk lid.
- Scheel full-velvet issue on LL-H450:
I have another Zonderdrück-article (in German) signed Paul Frère and titled "Test: BMW Alpina 3.0 CSL". Unfortunately is doesn't say from which Magazine.
In this article, Frère drives the LL-L 502. The car is pictured beside some parking/factory building with a huge staircase in the fond. In this article, there are two comparable interior shots: LL-H450 + LL-L 502. The interior-picture of LL-H450, clearly shows a Scheel seat which looks like to be in full velvet (no lines). In style, similar to Jaime's 2275501 Scheel seat in velvet.
Also, if I compare the early Werkfoto of the carb-interior, it looks like full-velvet, compared to the Werkfoto (nr 7423) of the later Bat-CSL interior. Same resolution and angle on the photos, but (in my eyes) completely different Scheel fabric.
In conclusion: as I cannot convince my family about the Scheel-issue, I'm not allowed to wear any of the Motorsport clothing from the 70s anymore. The punishment is; only wear M-Style collection clothing and drive coupes from the late 80s, e.g. M6 E24 (with the 15kg NMT Mobile Telephone "Ericsson Hotline"), until this velvet-case is closed.
Cheers
Henric
PS 1:
The BMW Classic 2212278 is of course Colorado (my mistake), but it was new to me that it was Golf from factory (ex Joel T:s car?) In an article written by Jean-Pierre Beltoise, there is another French Golf Carb with a similar reg plate - 7292DE92. Beside the carb, a French Polaris, with black stripes 2275-car (Bat?) with reg plates 9337QN95, appears.
PS 2:
Speaking about French CSLs, there is an article, about GG:s early injection-Taiga, in the October-November 2011 issue of the "Le Monde de la BMW - BMW World" (no 113). Interesting story about the colors of that car.
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mark
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Yannick, I love your work. Keep it coming.
classicman
Active Member
The VIN plates on the carb cars show "cs" as opposed to csl. My guess is that the badge on the back would also show cs. Just a guess though.