Twin Carbs vs single 4 bbl removing Tripple Webers

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Hi all, I am removing the Triple Weber set-up from me 72' CS with a 73' 3.0ltr engine. I have advertized for finding a replacement set-up and have many choices. Needing info on choosing between, original "Zeneth" twin two bbl carbs, Twin Weber Carbs or a Zeneth(?) 4BBL set. I assume that the 4 bbl set-up was the "Euro" system?( is it any better, or worse?) My car is a euro car, with the rear view mirrors mounted forward on the fenders, although, it was originally fitted with Twin Zeneth Carbs. Common-sense is telling me that the twin weber set, although not OEM, would probably be the best choice, because they would be "younger" as they were replacement units. If you have a reasonably priced set to offer-up, please do so.
Please contact me directly @ [email protected] And yes, I will be selling the Triple Weber set-up.
Also, the reason for removing the Tri-set, is that I have been unable to sell this car and am guessing that the "non-stock" set-up is scaring prospective buyers away. This has been the most difficult car to sell, I have ever had. Thanks, Bob
 

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Definitely not the 4-bbl, manifold length is the issue there. If you think originality is the issue then the Zeniths are the way to go. Please post pics/specs of the triples.
 
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I have a set of Zeniths and would trade towards your Webers

I have a set of Zeniths with manifolds and would trade towards your Webers. I will also buy your Webers..
 
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triple webers

If it does not work out with execmalibu, I am interested in the webers. I have a stock 1970 2800 CS
 
Carburetors and other questions

To stevehose, are you saying, the 4bbl set-up will not fit? Were they only used on Bavaria's? or which cars were fitted with the 4 bbl system?,
Also, to others re: sale of the Triple Webers, A gentleman from Italy has agreed to purchase the set-up for $1,000. I am awaiting payment. Bob
 
I think 4 barrel was a euro e12 setup for small displacement M30 motors. It will devalue your coupe even more. Condition of the paint and body are the real determiners of value in this case.
 
Amazing. Please post some pics of your car. Lot's of support here up north and west. PM me
 
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Thank you all for your help. I have decided to go with Weber down draft carbs.I have two sets of Webers available and am currently negotiating the best purchase. The triple Webers are sold.
I have posted pics of the car and here is a brief description. 71' 2800 cs, Sunroof model, European version w/ original RearView mirrors on fenders. New 72' 3.0 engine, 265 Getrag 5 Speed Transmission, Electronic ignition, Headers, rust free, Calif. car I brought up myself here to Astoria Oregon, Verona red, Tan Leather interior, New Stainless exhaust, 15X7" Enke Wheels, Hi Po Suspension, KYB Shocks, New front Control Arms-bushings and tie-rods. New Radiator, new Rear end mount. Good Chrome, Good Glass, power windows, AC. The only thing left is the dash which has some cracks, I have found another dash, but not the wood veneer. All of the above work has been performed within the last three years, and has been garaged since. Priced well below 20k- make offer. Bob Lesher [email protected]
 
4bbl requires a different manifold, the carb sits in the middle so #1 and #6 cylinders have a much longer intake run vs #3&4. I would think a mixture nightmare.

IMHO I don't see how adding 2 webers and taking off 3 increases the value to someone shopping originality, if this were the case Zeniths are the way to go.

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To stevehose, are you saying, the 4bbl set-up will not fit? Were they only used on Bavaria's? or which cars were fitted with the 4 bbl system?,
Also, to others re: sale of the Triple Webers, A gentleman from Italy has agreed to purchase the set-up for $1,000. I am awaiting payment. Bob
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carburetor discussion: Weber vs Zenith

to stevehose, are you saying, you would prefer, 40 year old "Zenith" Carburetors, over the vastly, Superior-Advanced, Popular and Newer( with parts readily available) Weber carburetors, for your car, or if you were buying a car? I believe most interested buyers would prefer the "Weber's". Respectfully, Bob
 
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I don't see how adding 2 webers and taking off 3 increases the value to someone shopping originality, if this were the case Zeniths are the way to go.
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Sure, Zeniths are "100% original", as that's how the car left the factory.

But two downdraft Webers with a JAM kit to adapt the carbs to the stock aircleaner LOOKS original. Unless a concours judge gets out his mirror, or removes the air cleaner, the engine bay appears stock. A triple Weber set-up doesn't begin to look original.

So I would support the idea that changing from triple sidedraft Webers to two downdrafts is a major step back toward originality. But yes, for 100.0% originality, you need Zeniths. And Bavarian air in your tires!
 
Absolutely I would, I've had Zeniths, Weber downdrafts, and now 3x Weber sidedrafts. When properly rebuilt, including planing the halves for flatness, the Zeniths are great. They were largely misunderstood by mechanics "back in the day." Downdraft Webers are fine but no better than the Zeniths, some say less so. My Zeniths worked flawlessly and started each time on first crank in all conditions. I only put the triples on because I like the Mulsanne Straight intake noise on the way to Starbucks :). I have all the stock intake stuff still in case I want to go back. My point was if someone is a stickler for originality, then Zeniths are it. If I remember correctly, the Jam kit requires cutting the air cleaner housing to fit and may alter it's location/height?

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to stevehose, are you saying, you would prefer, 40 year old "Zenith" Carburetors, over the vastly, Superior-Advanced, Popular and Newer( with parts readily available) Weber carburetors, for your car, or if you were buying a car? I believe most interested buyers would prefer the "Weber's". Respectfully, Bob
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If I remember correctly, the Jam kit requires cutting the air cleaner housing to fit and may alter it's location/height?
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The JAM kit does shift the stock air cleaner rearward, yes. That shift can result in interference with the light on the hood, or an aftermarket stiffening bar (one of those things that connects the two front spring towers). I don't remember making any modifications to my air cleaner to install the JAM + Webers.
 
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to stevehose, are you saying, you would prefer, 40 year old "Zenith" Carburetors, over the vastly, Superior-Advanced, Popular and Newer( with parts readily available) Weber carburetors, for your car, or if you were buying a car? I believe most interested buyers would prefer the "Weber's". Respectfully, Bob
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probably if you are looking for a superior, advanced, popular and newer thing, you should buy, ...a refrigerator ! or a brand new chevy !

we can clearly see by your prior post that you are a connoisseur of classic cars !:shock:

IMHO, a classic car affaire, is not only the FINISH line, but the path that drives you there !
 
Good evening guys,

I ask only 5 minutes of your time to get to know my way.

you think it is better to have a sedan bavaria e3 with carburetors zenith or a sedan with 3 weber's?

I mean even better!

with a 3000 s zenith has more commercial value than a 3000s with changes weber x3?

I think that part of the pleasure of the ears perhaps a change webers age does take a good added value to the sedan with the zenith!

is not a provocation

I just want to know your tastes and your opinions.

thank you
 
Although it was 25 years ago, I think I had to drill different holes in the air cleaner mounting brackets to accomodate the different spacing of Weber bolts but maybe they've changed that design since then.

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The JAM kit does shift the stock air cleaner rearward, yes. That shift can result in interference with the light on the hood, or an aftermarket stiffening bar (one of those things that connects the two front spring towers). I don't remember making any modifications to my air cleaner to install the JAM + Webers.
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Webers on an E3 are as waste of money and time...

Gianni,

Putting Webers on an E3 will not add value and is probably a huge waste of time... Why would you want to do this?
 
I thought the sounds improves with weber and I thought you could find 20 hp more!!



perhaps I flatter myself?
 
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