Which Panel seals ?

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Hi All
My CSL has finally made it to the paint shop after major body surgery and the body shop have asked for the door, bonnet and boot seals now so they can check panel alignment. I would like new ones and wondered who does the best fitting genuine BMW or W&N ? Anyone with first hand experience of fitting either? Comments please
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Tom
 
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Bonjour Tom , pour te répondre en faite les 2 sont de qualité moyennes
Et le prix a peut prés pareil

Hello Tom, to answer you made ​​in 2 are medium quality
And such price may meadows
 
sometimes yes, walloth is selling the toolbox from bmw, for example, but not always same suppliers, some times original walloth parts are not of the best quality, they order them in india, and not with a high quality follow up like the one that bmw can do (so the question is not the country of origin)
be careful with door seals, they are difficult to adjust

remark, well now, there is a thread about bmw parts bad quality,...
 
Hi Tom,
I replaced my door seals with genuine BMW seals ordered through Topmkinson BMW they were easy to fit but six months in the door still needs a hefty slam to close, I fear for the doors internals each and every time.
John
 
It already like this 25 years ago, when I replaced the seals on my first E9 (with original BMW parts).

I wonder if it was also the case when the cars were new...
 
There was someone on the forum who mentioned- and it makes some sense- that all the panels (doors, hood and trunk) should be fitted without the seals/locks/catches in place. once that is buttoned up then the seals will eventually "break in". I think the idea is that if you put the seals and catches in beforehand then by default you will maladjust the true alignment of the panels to compensate for the inevitable protrusions and bulges in the new rubber.:roll:
 
Door seals

What you are saying makes sense but when my csl was done. The doors fit perfectly and shut as easily as my ceylon original (which are perfect) but as soon as I put in the new BMW seals the door had to be slammed. Interestingly, the x5 hood seals fit nicely and didn't inhibit door closing but they are short segments and needed many to put end to end. I then tried to shave off the back of oem seals without success. So I ended up putting in e46 door seals custom cut and fitted. They look ok and no one would notice except you guys. The door shuts nicely now.

By the way, Jabberjaw had new seals placed w nos set from late 80s I was told and they are definitely softer rubber and thinner that what is available now. They look like my original seals in the Ceylon car. I wish BMW would source to a new supplier and make them softer and thinner. I just couldn't slam the doors on my csl
 
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Believe me guys, the oversized too tight fitting door gasket problem is an absolute heart breaker for body men. You try to do your best on a restoration job (which rarely pays as well as collision work) and after putting in many many hours the customer is mad at you at the end because his doors don’t close right when they were fine before you touched his car.

I’m glad Mario is going to contact BMW about these problems but I wonder how much interest the company has in supplying correct parts for cars they built 40 years ago. The windshield problem is even more discouraging, what happens if a rock knocks that out ? Is the car off the road till something that fits comes along or do we install Plexiglas or Lexan like a race car ? ~ John Buchtenkirch
 
Believe me guys, the oversized too tight fitting door gasket problem is an absolute heart breaker for body men. You try to do your best on a restoration job (which rarely pays as well as collision work) and after putting in many many hours the customer is mad at you at the end because his doors don’t close right when they were fine before you touched his car.

I’m glad Mario is going to contact BMW about these problems but I wonder how much interest the company has in supplying correct parts for cars they built 40 years ago. The windshield problem is even more discouraging, what happens if a rock knocks that out ? Is the car off the road till something that fits comes along or do we install Plexiglas or Lexan like a race car ? ~ John Buchtenkirch

Ditto on door seals, and the POS bonnet wrap around seal
 
A friend has new door seals and it is painful to see how much effort (and metal flex) it now takes to shut the door all the way. No way I am putting those on mine.
 
Check this piece

The end of the top half of the seal is a 8" solid piece of stiff rubber. It mounts agaist the top of the actual door (but is glued to the top of the A-post), and acts as a joint to the lower part of the door seal.
I have noted that when this piece is of the stiff stuff, the door becomes very hard to close. Somehwhere I have found much softer pieces (either old or from a different supplier), which I have used and they make the closing of the door just they way they should be.
If you have both in your hands it is very easy to feel the difference.
 
The end of the top half of the seal is a 8" solid piece of stiff rubber. It mounts agaist the top of the actual door (but is glued to the top of the A-post), and acts as a joint to the lower part of the door seal.
I have noted that when this piece is of the stiff stuff, the door becomes very hard to close. Somehwhere I have found much softer pieces (either old or from a different supplier), which I have used and they make the closing of the door just they way they should be.
If you have both in your hands it is very easy to feel the difference.

My late dad always said a photo or a drawing is worth a thousand words. Could you possibly take one or two and post them for us. Thank you ~ John Buchtenkirch
 
exactly

The end of the top half of the seal is a 8" solid piece of stiff rubber. It mounts agaist the top of the actual door (but is glued to the top of the A-post), and acts as a joint to the lower part of the door seal.
I have noted that when this piece is of the stiff stuff, the door becomes very hard to close. Somehwhere I have found much softer pieces (either old or from a different supplier), which I have used and they make the closing of the door just they way they should be.
If you have both in your hands it is very easy to feel the difference.

You are also right...these are a real pain. The new ones are so hard. I know one recently restored csl used the new ones and cut them in half so the door wouldn't hit them as early. I tried shaving mine down and it helped but the oem door seal still impeded closing. With the e46 seals these parts don't impede much but definitely stiffer than on my original Ceylon car. I'll try to post a pic
 
Bring them to a good hot temp short of boiling or melting in water prior to instalation. Be prepared to install, do it fast and close the door or whatever. Leav it sit, and while it will get stiff, they conform like old jeans, much nicer.

if installation is long and hard it still helps but not as much.

Disclaimer; dont burn yourself of anything else,
.
.Rob
 
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Bring them to a good hot temp short of boiling or melting in water prior to instalation. Be prepared to install, do it fast and close the door or whatever. Leav it sit, and while it will get stiff, they conform like old jeans, much nicer.

if installation is long and hard it still helps but not as much.

Disclaimer; dont burn yourself of anything else,
.
.Rob

In all my 45 years of doing professional body work I’ve never heard of that one !!!!!! It’s certainly worth trying and would be wonderful if it works. Can you just put the door gaskets in boiling water for 5 minutes or is that really too harsh for them ? I’m kinda excited about this :grin:, aftermarket weather-striping is a problem on a lot more cars than BMW coupes. ~ John Buchtenkirch
 
In all my 45 years of doing professional body work I’ve never heard of that one !!!!!! It’s certainly worth trying and would be wonderful if it works. Can you just put the door gaskets in boiling water for 5 minutes or is that really too harsh for them ? I’m kinda excited about this :grin:, aftermarket weather-striping is a problem on a lot more cars than BMW coupes. ~ John Buchtenkirch

No dont boil them, just make them soft, and nothing that is premounted to a rail or is felt!

Just kinda soft, not melted.
 
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