No, it does not. So, this rubber bushing gets placed on the bottom of the filter element? If so, is this part available anywhere?
First Time Engine Oil Change-- Oy!
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Hi @e9Leveque! It seems I discarded the rubber gasket (bushing) that goes on the bottom of the oil filter. Can you check if you have one you are willing to sell to me? I plan to run the engine to continue my fluid changing process... coolant. Thanks!
Don' forget to remove the engine block plug when doing the coolant. It is on the passenger side, down low and toward the firewall at the level of the engine mount.
And the reason for that is all the nasty stuff is down there!
Let's make sure we are all talking about the same parts here. Part 13 is a metal washer that sits up into the bottom of the filter and is often discarded because it sort of "sticks" to the filter and so you remove the filter and throw it away not realizing the washer is stuck on the bottom. The rubber grommet i THINK sits in the center of that washer hole, not quite sure what purpose is serves, and I agree it's odd that it seems we can see it on the top of your spring with the bolt coming up through it, suggesting that maybe it separated from part 13 the metal washer. I have both parts 13 and 14 (metal washer and grommet), let me know which of the two you need. Mine is also grayish-white rather than the black shown in the previous picture posted. I'll dig these out and post photos here.
Seems it needs both.
Cupped plate is an important piece to install if you want filtered oil to your bearings. From the oil pump, oil is supposed to travel to the outside of the filter, make its way through the filter to the center leaving the nasty particles behind.
At the top, the filter is "sealed" against top housing. At the bottom there is significant open space and the filter element would be free to travel up and down were it not for the bottom spring and plate.
Can't really tell on the picture if just looking at the small end of beehive spring or remains of seal on top of spring.
If you only install the rubber seal, that is not large enough diameter to seal anything by itself without the cupped plate.
Filter will drop to bottom of the can and do very little else. Oil will go past filter, not through.
Cupped plate is an important piece to install if you want filtered oil to your bearings. From the oil pump, oil is supposed to travel to the outside of the filter, make its way through the filter to the center leaving the nasty particles behind.
At the top, the filter is "sealed" against top housing. At the bottom there is significant open space and the filter element would be free to travel up and down were it not for the bottom spring and plate.
Can't really tell on the picture if just looking at the small end of beehive spring or remains of seal on top of spring.
If you only install the rubber seal, that is not large enough diameter to seal anything by itself without the cupped plate.
Filter will drop to bottom of the can and do very little else. Oil will go past filter, not through.
Makes sense, thanks for the thorough explanation. I found my metal washer, this is about as simple a part as there is. Is it the case that these are difficult to find? If so, once I’m home I’ll 3d scan it before shipping it off to @Catbert so that we can make some more. Let’s not have this piece be the cause of dirty oil. Regarding the rubber grommet, I know I ordered one since I see it in my EBay history (shipped from Egypt, no less), but couldn’t find it on my initial glance through my parts bin. I’ll check again, but does anyone have one available to measure inner and outer diameter as well as thickness? If it’s only serving as a grommet then a replacement shouldn’t be too hard to source with the measurements.
Much appreciated @e9Leveque. I am not sure anything did indeed get thrown away with the old filter element. Here's a close-up photo. Can you see if part 14 is missing? It looks like part 13 is there... to secure the spring.
Part 13 is called a "shoulder washer". If they are not available, it should be fairly easy to have them made. I don't think making them from plastic is viable because of the engine heat, but they do make high temp ones. Also probably easy to machine.
Shoulder Washer
Shoulder Washer
If you still have this out can you remove all of the parts in there and lay them out? I think we are having trouble telling what’s in there. And yes, I agree with Scott, should be easy to machine and I’ll scan mine for that purpose.
I already installed the oil canister and realize I will have to remove it again. It's easy to describe what I have. The picture I just posted shows what is attached to to bolt within. At the bottom is just the bolt washer and of course the bolt. So, parts 13 and 14 presumably sit on top of the spring and beneath the filter element. Anyone familiar with the parts diagram can determine that I am missing those parts from the photo I took.
Yes, I can see you're missing part 13 - if you still have the filter you took out, see if it's adhered to the bottom. I think the part we are questioning is as one looks down the shaft of the bolt, the very first thing that is around the bolt is either the very last metal curve of the spring OR a part of a rubber washer, hard to tell from the pic because it's just a dark ring around the bolt. That's the question.
