FS: Reproduction E3/E9 Power Steering Pressure Hose 32411117565

[eriknetherlands]

First of all I must say that I truly love, and appreciate @alprada70 is making these hoses.
As I also see some members are having troubles fitting the hoses, I thought I could be of assistance perhaps as i have my original hose on my kitchen table anyway.

Could it be that the hose that you used as a reference Alvaro, wasn't an original hose to begin with? Or that perhaps more than 1 type of "original" hose exists?

The hose in my car, and the hose shown by @Dan Wood are different compared to the one identified as "Original" in your first post.
One easy identifier is the clamp in the middle: on my car and Dan's car it has 6 dimples, on your original there are no dimples.
Length and orientation of the fittings could be different as well.

I will measure my hose tomorrow exactly + measure the "clocking". That may shed some light on this.

Again, a huge thumbs up for Alvaro.
I'm just hoping to help fellow e9-ers by digging into the issue; maybe we learn that hoses were different, cars may be different, that installation requires some tricks or that some other not-yet-identified X-factor exists...

 

[Mot27cars]

First of all I must say that I truly love, and appreciate @alprada70 is making these hoses.
As I also see some members are having troubles fitting the hoses, I thought I could be of assistance perhaps.

Could it be that the hose that you used as a reference Alvaro, wasn't an original hose to begin with? Or that perhaps more than 1 type of "original" hose exists?

The hose in my car, and the hose shown by @Dan Wood are different compared to the one identified as "Original" in your first post.
One easy identifier is the clamp in the middle: on my car and Dan's car it has 6 dimples, on your original there are no dimples.
Lenght and orientation of the fittings could be different as well.

I will measure my hose tomorrow exactly + measure the "clocking". That may shed some light on this.

Again, a huge thumbs up for Alvaro.
I'm just hoping to help e9-ers by digging into the issue; maybe we learn that hoses were different, cars may be different, that installation requires some tricks or any other not yet identified x factor exists...

On my e3 I had a little bit to twist. Not your question, but just give my experience. Btw those hose is working fine!
Tom

 

[Dan Wood]

I appreciate @eriknetherlands comment and I also appreciate Alvaro making some of these NLA parts. I do believe that there are unknown variations with E9 parts and one size doesn't always fit all. There may need to be 2 different hose orientations.

 

[Dan Wood]

With the 90 degree fitting facing right, here is the clocking difference of the banjo fittings.
New hose on the left and original on the right.

 

[sfdon]

I am happy to send an original hose to Colombia if that would help.

 

[Dan Wood]

I am happy to send an original hose to Colombia if that would help.

Don
It would be interesting to see what clocking you show on a hose off an earlier E9. Thanks

 

[eriknetherlands]

@Dan Wood, mine is exactly like yours:
Stretched the hose flat on a table, with the elbow pointing to the right. The flat face of the Banjo-ring is set at about 30 degrees from vertical. [ edit I will measure like Danwood in post #94 below and report back)
Wrt dates: my hose is stamped 3-73. My car is a May '73 carbed CS Automatic; hence I think it is the hose that came on the car from the factory.

 

[eriknetherlands]

Measurements:

575 mm measured from the center axis of the tube (middle of circle of the flare) to the middle of the banjo-ring.
As I taped the part to a piece of aluminum,it made it easy to measure; I think I'm not more then 1 mm off.

 

[alprada70]

Hello everyone.
I read all your comments, then:
- I used original hose to make the reproduction.
- I had no problems in the installation...but maybe it was good luck, and I want to improve my reproductions ...
I Draw the hose so it's clear clockwise 30 ° and I accept @sfdon offer to have another hose to compare ... Thanks @eriknetherlands and @Dan Wood for doing all this work ... measure the hose, take the photos, etc.
Alvaro

 

[Dan Wood]

Alvaro
Thank you for agreeing to make a revision.
I believe your drawing is incorrect. With the male threaded flare end fitting at the 90 degree clockwise position, the banjo fitting bolt hole centerline should be approx 30 to 45 degrees counterclockwise. Your drawing shows it clockwise.
Please compare the drawing to Erik's and my pics. When you get Don's sample it should clarify the orientation and the correct clocking degrees.

 

[Dan Wood]

Here is a pic from ECS for the hose NLA where the clocking looks similar to mine.
This also shows the "restrictor" crimp much smaller ID.

@alprada70 how does your restrictor compare to the original?

HOSE - (NO LONGER AVAILABLE)

HOSE - (NO LONGER AVAILABLE) (Mfg#32411117565).

www.ecstuning.com

 

[alprada70]

Modified the drawing.
1. 30° is the exactly angle ?
2. The restrictor is its similar, is not exactly...

 

[billpatterson]

Hi there

Yes...absolutely agree @alprada70 products are top shelf!

My replacement PS hose (and steering) does work. It is twisted, however, as pictured above in Post 69 . I too compared Alprada hose to the original (at least OEM) off the car and the clocking is off as described.

I would prefer it not be twisted, as it looks odd, there's stress all all fittings, and potentially reduced life and leaks.

Alprada, are you producing hoses that are clocked as per drawings above??

@Dan Wood @eriknetherlands

Regards,
Bill

 

[Dan Wood]

There is error with my measurements maybe +/- 3 degrees. I suspect that the original angle was 45 degrees.

 

[eriknetherlands]

@Dan Wood : that's some serious measurement setup! If you are interested in a quality control job give me a ring ;-). Your hose likely also has stamped date codes on them (on both ends). What's on it?

@alprada70; I'm more then happy to assist in your product development; i really enjoy this 'detective' work and hope it is helpful to your company's success.
When I combine all the above information, I think your design has the correct length, but it was indeed 30 degrees off in clocking; it was set 'flat', but original was 45 degrees right.
If you make a second batch; it think it would be good to check the clocking of one of the original hoses with the 6 sided crimp in the middle to see what is true of my observations / desk top warrior skills.

Thumbs up for sharing your insights and dimensions; I'm confident your hose is the best on the market already, and it can only get even better from here onwards!
(p.s how are your front fender reproduction skills

 

[Dan Wood]

@Dan Wood : that's some serious measurement setup! If your interested in a quality control job give me a ring ;-)

Eric
LOL Several years of supplier quality and happily retired! Thanks for compliment and pics of your setup were the inspiration. The hose date is 5/70. After leveling and rechecking again, I would target 43 to 45 degrees. The 90 degree end should compensate for some variation. Ofcourse the best thing to do would be to try it on a couple E9s.

 

[alprada70]

Thank you for all your work ... I am going to reproduce 1 hose with 45 degree - 57.5 cm

 

[Dan Wood]

Thank you for your work... Im going to reproduce 1 with this angle...

Thank you for producing parts.

 

[sfdon]

Hope this helps…

 

[Sven]

Nice work. Please put me down on the list for one new configuration hose. Thank you.