Incorrect Paint colour

[Barry.b]

I am going to call over to my supplier tomorrow with a part of the car with me and hopefully I can get something which is a better match than the last time.
it should be easy enough to redo the engine bay as I think I just need to give it a scuff with a scotch pad to give the paint something to stick to and then clean it down with panel wipe again before laying on more paint.
Thanks again guys for all the advice.
Ps I’m not sure yet if I will be brave enough to try paint the entire car yet.
For now I’m happy enough to just do the engine bay and door openings etc etc
I might get a pro to do the outside of the car ( maybe )

 

[sfdon]

I’m at the shop for a few minutes-
Mr. Burger has a good point about taking pictures for color examples.
Here are 3 new Fjord paint jobs.
Look at the wild color differences on the same body panel…

 

[Barry.b]

Thanks again Don
The colour difference is really evident alright, I suppose the angle of the panel to the light source is probably causing it.
Beautiful work by the way !!!

 

[sfdon]

Well good for you on pushing yourself and doing things yourself. I hear you on the eyesight and led lighting. You can do a good scuff and repaint. It's not the end of the world. Good luck on the color match!

We are missing you Tyson…

 

[Christoph]

Replicating the original shade of an old colour should be nearly impossible. Most has been said. The original components (base paints) are no longer available. BMW used different materials over time. Undercoating, temperature and pressure all contribute to the shade. I remember at least three times when we lined up cars of the same colour and they all looked different: three original Atlantik, two fresh Chamonix and two fresh Türkis Metallic. The freshly painted cars were all done by the same painter within few months.

The outdated Glasurit colour chart gives two shades of Fjord, both called 037. "Fjord - heller (lighter)" is quite pale, it appeared in the late seventies. The Spies-Hecker book, also solvent-based, but actual, knows them, too, and also "Türkis - blauer (bluer)" and "Türkis - grüner (greener)".

Generally solvent-based lacquer should give better results than waterborne paint. Applying them in one's home garage might not be very healthy, though. Most colours look reasonably correct using waterborne paint. Exceptions are Türkis and Taiga, some say.

 

[rsporsche]

we went through this with Ceylon. the Glasurit paint was way off - Glasurit even said to use it only for complete repaint, not touch up. the color was way off - too brown of a gold, not the orange gold. the closest match was a PPG waterbase paint. i have seen the different fjord colors - same issues. same is true with many vintage BMW colors.

 

[mulberryworks]

When viewing a sample in the paint store and then taking it home to the car and finding it doesn't look as close as you thought, you need to be wary of Metameric failure.
The following is from Wikipedia:

Metameric failure​

The term illuminant metameric failure or illuminant metamerism is sometimes used to describe situations in which two material samples match when viewed under one light source but not another. Most types of fluorescent lights produce an irregular or peaky spectral emittance curve, so that two materials under fluorescent light might not match, even though they are a metameric match to an incandescent "white" light source with a nearly flat or smooth emittance curve. Material colors that match under one source will often appear different under the other. Inkjet printing is particularly susceptible, and inkjet proofs are best viewed under standard 5000K color temperature lighting for color accuracy.

Normally, material attributes such as translucency, gloss or surface texture are not considered in color matching. However geometric metameric failure or geometric metamerism can occur when two samples match when viewed from one angle, but then fail to match when viewed from a different angle. A common example is the color variation that appears in pearlescent automobile finishes or "metallic" paper; e.g., Kodak Endura Metallic, Fujicolor Crystal Archive Digital Pearl.

 

[Barry.b]

Replicating the original shade of an old colour should be nearly impossible. Most has been said. The original components (base paints) are no longer available. BMW used different materials over time. Undercoating, temperature and pressure all contribute to the shade. I remember at least three times when we lined up cars of the same colour and they all looked different: three original Atlantik, two fresh Chamonix and two fresh Türkis Metallic. The freshly painted cars were all done by the same painter within few months.

The outdated Glasurit colour chart gives two shades of Fjord, both called 037. "Fjord - heller (lighter)" is quite pale, it appeared in the late seventies. The Spies-Hecker book, also solvent-based, but actual, knows them, too, and also "Türkis - blauer (bluer)" and "Türkis - grüner (greener)".

Generally solvent-based lacquer should give better results than waterborne paint. Applying them in one's home garage might not be very healthy, though. Most colours look reasonably correct using waterborne paint. Exceptions are Türkis and Taiga, some say.

I must have got a can of fjord heller
Or something like it .
I called today to my supplier and he scanned my petrol filler cover / door and he is confident he will have a new can of paint mixed up for me tomorrow in the correct shade .
Hopefully it’s not fjord grüner blauer heller this time
Thanks again for the info !!

 

[Barry.b]

I must have got a can of fjord heller
Or something like it .
I called today to my supplier and he scanned my petrol filler cover / door and he is confident he will have a new can of paint mixed up for me tomorrow in the correct shade .
Hopefully it’s not fjord grüner blauer heller this time
Thanks again for the info !!

Okay
So I got more paint today on my way home from work and I re - prepped the engine bay this evening.
My plan is to lay down a few coats of colour tomorrow
And then hopefully get the clear coat on before the weekend.
I have attached a photo showing the old “incorrect “ fjord blue and the newly bought fjord blue , it’s obviously only on a stick at the moment but it’s definitely a better match to my fuel filler door than before.
Fingers crossed that it looks better this time.!!!

 

[wkohler]

I had an issue with Polaris for my engine bay that came down to metallic size. I also recently had some Porsche Minervablau base coat mixed up and in one line (Matrix), it looked very similar to what you got the first time. The final was much better color wise but metallic size was off compared to the original but it wasn’t critical on that project.

I’d be much happier with what you got this time.

 

[bluecoupe30!]

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I so enjoy any pics of cars in sfdon's place. It is like a dream Disneyland shop where all the accepted Coupes and E3s get the correct love they need to be born again. And I am sure we all look around at every corner of the photo to see what it is we can add to our home shop! Thanks Don.

 

[Barry.b]

Hi guys
I am back on track , thankfully once I actually admitted to myself that it was the wrong colour, fixing it was easy enough.
I am delighted now that it is correct, I would never have been happy with it as it was .
Anyway thanks again for all the advice help and support
It really helps a lot !!!

 

[sfdon]

Hey- it’s blue now!!!

 

[OCCoupe]

Great news Barry!!! Looks great too!!!

 

[boonies]

well done, looks great!

 

[rsporsche]

Barry ... it looks great and correct. well DONE !!

 

[dang]

That looks like just base coat? Are you putting clear on it?

 

[Barry.b]

There are 2 coats of the new colour on it and 3 coats of clear , it’s actually a bit hard to get a proper photo of it ,it’s too glossy to capture it properly. but it does look nice when you are standing here beside it .

 

[Barry.b]

This is what she looked like back in February
So I’m happy now .
I am looking forward to bolting some stuff back in now

 

[boonies]

wow, that is a transformation Barry, well done!